davea0511 wrote:...if meters could be used to gauge blood levels from mere oral consumption ... that would be incredible.
johnyascorbate wrote:Based off of Owen's work, is it fair to say oral ascorbic acid is more beneficial than sodium ascorbate? Ascorbic acid increases levels (briefly?) comparable to that of IVC while sodium ascorbate provides a sustained but low level of vitamin c in the blood. For fighting infections and even treating heart disease, wouldn't plain ascorbic acid be preferred?
Montmorency wrote: Last year, I was using home-made sodium ascorbate, and was unable to fight off what became a serious cold, even upping the dose in a big way.
johnyascorbate wrote:Montmorency wrote: Last year, I was using home-made sodium ascorbate, and was unable to fight off what became a serious cold, even upping the dose in a big way.
Were you mixing baking soda and ascorbic acid? If one mixes baking soda and ascorbic acid, making a PH neutral form of vitamin c, won't that just turn it into sodium ascorbate-like, and take away the benefit of just using ascorbic acid?
davea0511 wrote:Thank so much for the summary. I previously understood that all the consumer meters gave false readings during IVC ... never knew oral doses would affect this too. This is huge ... so yea, validation would be great.
I would expect that Abbot Labs would want to be in on the know on these findings since megadosing C is undoubtedly taking place with more diabetics than yourself. They could at least facilitate some research that could shed some light.
Johnwen's theory of free (unused) ascorbate is very interesting as well ... does seem like it could explain it, but of course not conclusively.
OxC might be right as well. Definitely need to run more tests, and prove that in vitro shouldn't be too hard. DHAA vs AA is another one that could be tested easily ... not like you all have lots of time to do this, but if I were Abbott labs I would want to try and help solve the problem.
A friend of mine with cancer is integrating IVC into his treatment, and wanted to use a glucose meter to determine how much vitamin C was still in his veins and for how long. I tried to find this information (vitamin C to Glucose reading equivalency) but no such luck. I told him I suspected it can vary widely from brand to brand (and of course a possible non-linear relationship as well), but had no idea it would vary so much.
Moertel's infamous vitamin C studies in the 80's might have blood levels of oral vitamin c since that is what he used.
If you could find a meter that is sensitive to vitamin C, and repeatable ... that would be awesome if it could detect absorption like Johnwen was theorizing. I was thinking how awesome it would be if we could do that for IVC patients, but if meters could be used to gauge blood levels from mere oral consumption ... that would be incredible.
ofonorow wrote:davea0511 wrote: (Maybe it is the mucous membranes in the mouth as one drinks?)[/color][/b]
Absorption of vitamin C from the human buccal cavity
F. Sadoogh-Abasiana1 and D. F. Evereda1
a1 Department of Biochemistry, Chelsea College (University of London), Manresa Road, London SW3 6LX
1. Ascorbic acid was absorbed across the mucosa of the human mounth.
2. Omission of sodium ions from the medium decreased the absorption of ascorbic acid.
3. The presence of D-glucose, or 3-O-methyl-D-glucose, increased the absorption of ascorbic acid but D-fructose had little effect and D-mannitol had no effect.
4. Calcium ions also increased ascorbic acid absorption probably by a secondary effect on Na+ fluxes.
5. Buccal mucosa was also premeable to dehydroascorbic acid and D-isoascorbic. acid
(Received June 02 1978)
(Accepted January 16 1979)
Progesterone which rises during pregnancy cause the stomach to slow down, which is caused by reduced peristalsis and increased PH! This allows the V-C which is acidic to lower the stomach PH further which in turn increases the amount of bicarbonate released by the pancreas into the duodenum which is where the V-C is moved to from the stomach and absorption of V-C begins! Sans the minimal buccal absorption which only accounts for less then 5% of the total intake.
Idea for an experiment. Holding (and not swallowing) the AA in the mouth and measuring.
Johnwen wrote:Do you know what ascorbic acid does to Hydroxyapatite??
You sure you want to do that experiment???
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