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Lp(a) has not dropped on Cardio-C for 2.5 months
Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2015 7:13 am
by ofonorow
Hi Owen my name is Mark I have been taking 2 scoops of cardio c daily for 2 1/2 months now. Just had blood work done and lpa number never changed at 188 lpa. Total cholesterol at 150 tri at 80 Hdl at 66 ldl at 69. I was really hoping it would have went down. I also have been doing chelation therapy for once a week for 10 weeks now. I do get some diaherra any help would be greatly appreciated. Mark
Given you very low total cholesterol number (yours is 150 and normal is 180 mg/dl) I gather the Lp(a) number is nmol/l. Please verify and remind me of the range for Lp(a) given on the lab report.
And since Lp(a) is a fraction of LDL -and your total LDL is 69 - I suspect the Lp(a) is calculated, rather than measured. (If the numbers are correct, more than half your LDL is Lp(a), which would imply that Pauling's invention, Lp(a) binding inhibitors, are very important in your case, no matter whether your Lp(a) lowers or not.
In our experience, it takes more than six months, and perhaps up to 18 months, for Lp(a) levels to drop.
For the Diarrhea, try 2/3 scoops, three times daily (instead of 1 scoop, 2 times daily) - spread out a lower dosage.
Re: Lp(a) has not dropped on Cardio-C for 2.5 months
Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2015 9:47 am
by ofonorow
Thanks for the reply Owen. Lab report says Lpa should be below 30 and there report shows mine at 188.so you are saying it would a little more than half of lol correct. So that would put me at around 45. Why so different? Just trying to understand thanks Mark
I double checked and it says 188 mg/dl
Please ask the lab a question: How can your total cholesterol be 150 mg/dl and your Lp(a) (which is a subset of LDL cholesterol) be 188 mg/dl !?!?!?
Obvious error and I would be interested in their response.
Seems to me the answer is that they "calculated" Lp(a) - rather than actually measuring it.
Re: Lp(a) has not dropped on Cardio-C for 2.5 months
Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2015 4:46 pm
by Johnwen
Re: Lp(a) has not dropped on Cardio-C for 2.5 months
Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2015 7:06 am
by ofonorow
Thanks johnwen, but I am still having problems with his numbers not adding up. Any idea what may be going on with that?Owen I called lab and the did measure mg/dl not calculated. I will say this for 15 yrs my ldl and trig count was never below 200 with all my meds and after 2 months of the vitamin c it dropped. I also started chelation therapy. I have another blood test in three months will let you know how that goes. Thanks again Mark
Okay, but the question for the lab is how could measured Lp(a) - which is a component of LDL - be greater than your total cholesterol???? lpa number never changed at 188 lpa. Total cholesterol at 150 tri at 80 Hdl at 66 ldl at 69.
Lp(a) + other LDL = LDL number (188 mg/dl + other LDL = 66) ?
LDL number + HDL = Total Cholesterol (66 (or 188?) + 80 = 150)
The numbers don't add up. Unless they specifically exclude the Lp(a) from the LDL - but that seems to require a test I have never heard of (to separate Lp(a) LDL from other LDL) , and it doesn't explain the low total cholesterol (150) which must include Lp(a) (188)?
Re: Lp(a) has not dropped on Cardio-C for 2.5 months
Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2015 11:05 am
by Johnwen
Re: Lp(a) has not dropped on Cardio-C for 2.5 months
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 5:19 am
by ofonorow
You guessed correct johwen he is on a high dose statin! (Still wondering about the lab numbers that don't add up.)Lipitor 40 mg
Fenofibrate 165 mg
Clopidogrel 75 mg
Carvedilol 12.5 x2 mg
Isosorbise 30 mg
Digoxin .125 mg
Vascepa 1 gmx2
Ranexa500 x2
Look At dates
5/24/15
GFR 72 estimated
Creatinine 1.1
7/23/15
TSH 2.510
There was no calcium or glucose
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Re: Lp(a) has not dropped on Cardio-C for 2.5 months
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 10:02 am
by Johnwen
Re: Lp(a) has not dropped on Cardio-C for 2.5 months
Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2015 10:48 am
by Johnwen
Re: Lp(a) has not dropped on Cardio-C for 2.5 months
Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2015 12:52 am
by 89826
Should be careful with terms here.
You are born with a cholesterol level of 100. That is what is truly normal, or healthy. Your body makes all the cholesterol it needs.
The average cholesterol level in the US is around 200. So in a statistical sense, 200 is indeed normal. However, the flaw in that thinking is the average (normal) person in the US dies of heart disease.
Re: Lp(a) has not dropped on Cardio-C for 2.5 months
Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2015 1:04 pm
by ofonorow
johnwen, I am trying to understand how 1 + 2 can equal 4. (And I don't blame Big Pharma for trying to obscure what Lp(a) really is).
It is my understanding that Lp(a) is an LDL particle (of varying size and density) with an apo(a) particle attached.
Yes or no?
If yes, then how would it even be possible for them to exclude Lp(a) from an LDL measurement? Isn't the lab separating and measuring LDL cholesterol?
So if Lp(a) is 188 then total LDL would have to be HIGHER because it would include the Lp(a).
looking at this another way, take the VAP test - Lp(a) is always a small subset of the LDL cholesterol number.
Now, if the person is wrong - and the units are really nmol/l (rather than mg/dl) then that would explain things.