Vitamin C Forum

"She did try high dose VC some years ago - 15 grams, but it did nothing, so she stopped in a few weeks."
Sounds like she needed much more Vit C then. It is well known that you need to take to bowel tolerance in order to realize the benefits.

tjohnson_nb wrote:"She did try high dose VC some years ago - 15 grams, but it did nothing, so she stopped in a few weeks."
Sounds like she needed much more Vit C then. It is well known that you need to take to bowel tolerance in order to realize the benefits.

yes, so true. But neither she or I at that time knew anything about VC , let alone a BT protocol...

I think she needs a whooooole lot more, considering all her developed allergies and inmlammations over the last years.

She's now doing 3 x 2 gr. and building that up. I really would like some direction and specific advice:

-does she need proline and lysine and how much/what dose?
-other things that I forgot in my OP-post?

Thanks in advance,
Esther

Yes, continue raising the dose until she gets gas or loose bowels.Maybe do 4 divided doses instead of 3, many people take it continuously throughout the day, like me.

At what point is gas considered reaching bowel tolerance? I am aware that you cannot give me a real quantifier but, I assume with some gas is okay to continue upping dosage.

Thanks, tjohnson,
She's now on 3 x 4 to 6 grams VC. (18 grams yesterday, but a little stomach-irritation (not gas) and went to 12 today).
I will also get the LiVon lyposomal C.

-Does she with (not been diagnosed, bit it appears to be Prinzmetal angina), need the lysine and proline and what dose should that be?
-Magnesium - how much?
-What else?
-she's not good with the promocard/isosorbide moinitrate, cause she's intolerant to nitrates, is there some alternative?
-Can all those allergies (see OP) and histamine intolerance cause a hearrt attack?

..Any specific advice would be very nice, thank you.

Vit C is a very good antihistamine so if taking high dose C you should not need another antihistamine. Following the Pauling Protocol would definitely be advisable IMO. That means you would add up to 6 g of lysine and 2 g of proline to the Vit C. Probably start lower, like 3g lysine and 1g proline. I often take 1/2 tsp magnesium carbonate and 1 tsp ascorbic acid in warm water and it reacts to make magnesium ascorbate, around 400 mg elemental Mg. A couple of those a day would be great.

hvc wrote:At what point is gas considered reaching bowel tolerance? I am aware that you cannot give me a real quantifier but, I assume with some gas is okay to continue upping dosage.

You can continue after gas but the next stop is the toilet Lots of people do it for the flushing of the bowels effect.

Vit C in low doses little and often if she has allergies as too much ie 4 grams can cause a release of histamine which she does not want. Therefore taking it throughout the day would be a good idea IMO. That might help prevent problems with her bowels too.

I would 2nd tjohnson_nb's recommendation of Magnesium carbonate reacted with ascorbic acid. It's cheap and can work very well when reacted with ascorbic acid, Lysine, proline and maybe small amounts of TriMethylGlycine.

BTW Magnesium Carbonate is 28.8% elemental Magnesium if you need to work out how much to take.

BTW She has a stomach infection which is what is causing her allergies and eczema, asthma and many of her problems. There is currently no research to support this as no one else has yet found it and I do not expect them to for many years.

tjohnson_nb wrote:Vit C is a very good antihistamine so if taking high dose C you should not need another antihistamine. Following the Pauling Protocol would definitely be advisable IMO. That means you would add up to 6 g of lysine and 2 g of proline to the Vit C. Probably start lower, like 3g lysine and 1g proline. I often take 1/2 tsp magnesium carbonate and 1 tsp ascorbic acid in warm water and it reacts to make magnesium ascorbate, around 400 mg elemental Mg. A couple of those a day would be great.

Thanks tjohnson-nb,
We're aware that VC helps with the histamine (though Thomas Levy clearly states VC is not a antihistamine). Still recovering from a heart-attack and anafylactic shock, for now she will stay on the antihistamine pill. It's the least harmfull drug she's having.
She's now taking 12 grams VC per day: Sodium Ascorbate -that's better when you're having severe allergies, as I read in this forum.

-So, do I understand correctly that with 12 g VC is 3 g lysine and 1 g proline right? -I'm looking for a clear ratio protocol
-which Magnesium is good to go with sodium ascorbate? And as I understand a ratio as 400 mg is right?

thank you

BrightSideOfLife wrote:Vit C in low doses little and often if she has allergies as too much ie 4 grams can cause a release of histamine which she does not want. Therefore taking it throughout the day would be a good idea IMO. That might help prevent problems with her bowels too.

As I learned here (Johnwen and others), VC should be taken 3 to 4 times and 1 hour before meals and 2 hours after for best absorption. So, "low many little doses" confuses me! "as too much ie 4 g VC can release histamine". Is that right? Can you point me to some clear evidence for that? That would be helpfull, thanks. And what about VC works as an antihistamine? Very conflicting information...

BrightSideOfLife wrote:I would 2nd tjohnson_nb's recommendation of Magnesium carbonate reacted with ascorbic acid. It's cheap and can work very well when reacted with ascorbic acid, Lysine, proline and maybe small amounts of TriMethylGlycine.

"..and maybe small amounts of TriMethylGlycine". Because/why...? What is TrMethylGlicine and what does it do? Thanks in advance.

BrightSideOfLife wrote:BTW She has a stomach infection which is what is causing her allergies and eczema, asthma and many of her problems. There is currently no research to support this as no one else has yet found it and I do not expect them to for many years.

"She has a stomach infection..." . And you base that on what? Are you a medical expert? It's not very helpfull to make superficial "BTW"- statements as facts...