why no study?

[pamojja]

Have you tried searching at AscorbateWeb?

[skwoodwiva]

Drop a doozy why don't you!
Thanks very much
pamojja
Edit
Scuvy yes but nothing on CVD, hmm.

[skwoodwiva]

from
http://www.paulingtherapy.com/science.htm

There have been careful experiments with guinea pigs, first attempted by the Canadian Willis in the mid 1950s.

The result is always the same.

When these animals are deprived of vitamin C they die a terrible scurvy death in a matter of weeks. When their vitamin C is limited to the U. S. RDA they live, but develop atherosclerosis. When fed roughly the human equivalent of 3 to 5 gm of vitamin C, the pigs thrive with no signs of atherosclerosis.

Disease in guinea pigs occurs in weeks, the human form of the disease usually takes decades to develop. [1] While differences are to be expected in animal experiments, the lesions produced by these experiments are remarkable for their similarity to the human lesion. [2]



Why can't I find this expirment on pubmed?
Id love to shove this expiriment into the faces of peolpe who thinkI'm crazy to take vit C every 2 hours...along with lysine.

Agree.
BTW, my KP Dr will not order a CAC for me. He says I already (read, are hopeless) have CVD what good would it do?
I am ready to fire him. I am looking for evidence to give him. Your link is one do you have more?
Not sure I would do a CAT, rather a MRI for radiation concerns.
Does anybody do the MRI version?

[skwoodwiva]

from
http://www.paulingtherapy.com/science.htm

There have been careful experiments with guinea pigs, first attempted by the Canadian Willis in the mid 1950s.

The result is always the same.

When these animals are deprived of vitamin C they die a terrible scurvy death in a matter of weeks. When their vitamin C is limited to the U. S. RDA they live, but develop atherosclerosis. When fed roughly the human equivalent of 3 to 5 gm of vitamin C, the pigs thrive with no signs of atherosclerosis.

Disease in guinea pigs occurs in weeks, the human form of the disease usually takes decades to develop. [1] While differences are to be expected in animal experiments, the lesions produced by these experiments are remarkable for their similarity to the human lesion. [2]



Why can't I find this expirment on pubmed?
Id love to shove this expiriment into the faces of peolpe who thinkI'm crazy to take vit C every 2 hours...along with lysine.

Agree.
BTW, my KP Dr will not order a CAC for me. He says I already (read, are hopeless) have CVD what good would it do?
I am ready to fire him. I am looking for evidence to give him. Your link is one do you have more?
Not sure I would do a CAT, rather a MRI for radiation concerns.
Does anybody do the MRI version?

I agree, do the MRI for a heart ...you and I think alike,
Over the past decade, cardiovascular magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) has emerged as the gold standard for the evaluation of ventricular systolic function, as well as for evaluation and tissue characterization in ischemic and nonischemic cardiomyopathy.1 Cardiovascular MRI is reproducible, having a high spatial resolution, a relatively high temporal resolution, and no geometric assumption. Consequential to advances in both hardware and software, the imaging time is now considerably shorter than ever before.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2879211/


fire your MD
IM not sure what KP Dr means?
kaiser permanette??? .

**yes


what are you doing to fight your CVD?
I'd do:
5 grams lysine
** 9 g

10+ grams AA
** 20 to 24

2+ lipo C
** what is this?

3-4 life extension superK
** 1 a day

superK with sea iodine/vit D
** similar

plant based diet
** as noted previously type O, paleo, only saturated fats, some rice, lots of vegetables

Proline 2.5 g

[skwoodwiva]

Liposomal C 2+ grams
** right?

I also do the following:
Cod livers, 1 oz I keep the King Oscars frozen once opened.
Now Omega 3 ~ 1800 epa/1200 dha per day
Borage oil 6 g per day
Olive EV oil 20 g California Olive Ranch
Beets 1 large
Organic ginger 5 oz
CoQ10 ubiquinol 400 mg in the EVVO/Borage
Niacin 2g Niaspan or 4g IR
Fermented garlic with the above.
The following in a CO2 Selzer (preservative) to wash VC down:
2g taurine
2g ALCAR
10g d'ribose
2.5g proline
9g lysine
6g l-arginine or 6g l-citrulline
12g elderberry powder

[skwoodwiva]

Look back there are 2 replies
Add them together

[hvc]

Anyone familiar with mcg test?

[skwoodwiva]

More supplements
MORINGA 3 x a day replaced my Zebeta which replaced my Carvedilol from the hospital CABG

Yes oil, I am an O! Carbs & the many forms of wheat in particular make Os fat. Bs not so much. As & ABs just the opposite.

Do you really think all those Paleo's, gluten free's & etc are nuts? They are Os & Bs.

[skwoodwiva]

Delete please

[skwoodwiva]

The s**t is post 68. Can you not read the thread?

"
kaiser permanette??? .

**yes


what are you doing to fight your CVD?
I'd do:
5 grams lysine
** 9 g

10+ grams AA
** 20 to 24

2+ lipo C
** what is this?

3-4 life extension superK
** 1 a day

superK with sea iodine/vit D
** similar

plant based diet
** as noted previously type O, paleo, only saturated fats, some rice, lots of vegetables

Proline 2.5 g

[skwoodwiva]

My bad, 8 is the post #.


You know, you could glean more if read my posts in order, lol.
A, B, O? AB? Ring a bell?
You think all people are the same?
Why is there controversy about fat making some fat while others say carbs make you fat?

[guitarplayer007]

Here is the best study on Vitamin C in regards to CVD.

Please watch and comment

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VERKQsI2Kzg

[guitarplayer007]

Yes its the best!

[guitarplayer007]

Me to, not sure why they have tested a bunch if people with advanced CVD and checked their calcium score every 12 months. In his book he states if you have advanced CVD it can take 6 months just to stop the plaque from increasing, then hopefully reverse.

[guitarplayer007]

Dr.Rath's book, the guy that actually came up with the theory