Vitamin K

[ofonorow]

I dont know if the lp(a) test was calculated or not.
Measuring lp(a) is the best way to test lp(a), not calculated?

Major high volume labs probably calculate. VAP test (now defunct) used to measure, as will various labs. Only way to know is contact lab and ask for measured Lp(a) and see what they say? I walked into my hospital once, to double check VAP score, and the hospital measured (and matched).

--you think the blood thinner he is on to prevent strokes of his A=Fib, causes his A-Fib?
lil paradox there!
he takes some blood thinners and
pradaxa-prevents stroke

diltiazem hydrocholoride--not sure, calcium blocker to slow Heart rate?
sotalol-treats arrhymia?
and for BP, lisinopri--ace inhibitor

The BP meds are most concerning because he isnt fat, BMI 26
so if his arteries were good, he would make enough Nitrix oxide to not have high BP

Hope johnwen stops by - may move this to heart forum - as he can comment on the drugs. Yes, often drugs prescribed can make the problems worse, especially for cardiovascular disease where vitamin C (lack there of) is the primary root cause, yet unknown to cardiologists. Some drugs "okay" but it is hard to keep straight.. Most people learning of Pauling's therapy can do well by staying on the proper dosage of vitamin C and lysine - and weaning off all or most other drugs.

The basic rule - if you have heart disease, start taking vitamin C and lysine, at least 5 to 6 grams of each daily.

so I'll suggest he get a CAC test....but if it is HIGH, will that change what he does?o he is 70 and doesnt like MDs or taking pills,
so lets say he has a high lp(a) and a high CAC test...what to do? cause it all seems

Again, testing not really necessary to start basic therapy, only to know how important adding vitamin K might be, but if on a "blood thinner" then we already know he should be adding vitamin K2.

take 10+grams vit C/day spread out over the day, like 1gram every 2-3 hours
take 5+ Lysine/proline
take Vit k2(at least 2 caps from LEF works well)

so that is the basic Pauling therapy plan?

Generally yes, the 1 gram per hour is more for keeping blood levels of vitamin C high to control cancer.

2.5 grams - twice per day, (5 g of each) is the beginning of the (low) therapeutic dose of both lysine and vitamin C.
Less than 1 gram daily of proline seems to be necessary, and the body can synthesize its own proline.
One Super-K, in my personal case, taking high vitamin C and lysine, worked. Note that vitamin K, like Vitamin C, has been shown to extend life (lower mortality.)

What about other ways to reduce chance of heart disease?
Levy talks about making sure hormones are in range. like thyroid, and testosterone and removing root canals
so I"ll see if I can get him to get a blood test nec

Root canal problem is serious because it depletes the body of the (normally little) vitamin C supply.
All other issues, other than vitamin C, are secondary w/r to heart disease (Thank you Linus Pauling)
Hopefully you and other readers are getting the idea. There is no substitute for a lack of vitamin C, and therapeutic dosages of lysine can reverse the condition (when ADDED to vitamin C)

I mentioned he hates pills...so I have read about success with Cardio-C or Heart tech.
are these powders?
-I am not sure about him supplementing any vit E or cioQ10, he does eat a lot of broccoli((vitE)

The major feature of the Cardio-C and Heart Technology products is that they are drink mixes, minus fillers, and avoid scores and scores of pills.

However, unless your friend enjoys the company of cardiologists and being in hospitals, he can suffer a few vitamin C and lysine pills.

[johnjackson]

[jimmylesante]

my experience of a fib is ....it is multiple firing of areas in the atrium at different times. i.e they are not synchronised which generally the SA node helps do, But remember the SA node is not the only firing point for signals.
I was in the ER and watching my colleague try every single drug on an Afib and cardiovert him twice. The attending eventually said lets send him down to the cath lab for ablation.
I requested if we would lose anything by doing 3g Magnesium over 10mins then 1g per hour for 6hrs. 7mins later this young 60yr old was in normal sinus rhythm.
I later had paroxysmal afib with rvr myself and ended up on amiodarone drip. thereafter i had 200mg potassium and 400mg magnesium orally.

My point being afib is most likely a conduction issue which means a deficiency in potassium/magnesium/calcium or too much of one.
Vit c is a calcium chelator and perhaps that helps with conduction issues??

[johnjackson]

My point being afib is most likely a conduction issue which means a deficiency in potassium/magnesium/calcium or too much of one.
Vit c is a calcium chelator and perhaps that helps with conduction issues??

I"m not sure why He has A-fib, I spoke to him recently and he hasnt had an AFib episode since july 18
and he attributes that to vit C(maybe) cause he started taking 5-7 grams daily abot a year ago)2/18
BUT
I also had to deal with him taking more magnessium even though his cardiologist said dont,
so he's on a few RX;s
-advair
metaformin(Ac1 6)
dilitiazem HCL
pradaxa
solatol HCL
Losatran(to replace lisinporil)

both he and his wife(both 71) have blood pressure issues, which make me think they have some calcium and would have a high CAC
because I have them both on a low fat/Ornish diet(lots of fruit/veggies,,high nitrates to give lots of Nitric oxides)

so the solution to a high CAC would be
vit k2
lysine/proline
5+ grams vit C over a day

He lifts weights and does cardio 2-3x a week

how much vit k2 is recomended

I think he should get on HRT , as he has low testostrone.300 range and high eastrail, 30-45)

[ofonorow]

CCME is an 1994 treatment for heart disease invented by a friend of Linus Pauling, the late Brian Leibovitz. PhD, and editor of the Journal of Optimal Nutrition.

CCME: L-Carnitine, Coenzyme Q10, Magnesium, And Vitamin E
http://www.internetwks.com/pauling/jon.html

I was struck by jimmylesante's person experience with magnesium. Here is the section on magnesium

Magnesium

Magnesium is now recognized as a first-line medicine for the treatment of heart attacks. , A study published in The Lancet, for example, reported the effects of a double-blind, randomized, placebo-controlled study in 2,316 patients with suspected myocardial infarction. The dose of magnesium was high (about 8.7 grams given intravenously over a 24 hour period), but the results were remarkable: magnesium reduced cardiovascular mortality by 25 percent. The author/s conclusion:

"Intravenous magnesium sulfate is a simple, safe, and widely applicable treatment. Its efficacy in reducing early mortality of myocardial infarction is comparable to, but independent of, that of thrombolytic or antiplatelet therapy."

These findings have been confirmed and reconfirmed in many clinics and laboratories. Teo and colleagues, for example, in an analysis of seven clinical studies, concluded that magnesium (in doses of 5-10 grams by intravenous injection) reduced the odds of death by an astounding 55%.

We have discussed various diets, ad nauseum. What works for someone may not work for another. Advising anyone to be on a specific diet is taking a risk - with their health and your credibility. The low-fat diet assumes facts not in evidence, i.e., that high fat is the cause of heart disease. It isn't, low vitamin C is. By eating low fat, there must be more carbs, which break down into sugars, which compete with vitamin C for entry into cells.

[johnjackson]

[jimmylesante]

"Intravenous magnesium sulfate is a simple, safe, and widely applicable treatment. Its efficacy in reducing early mortality of myocardial infarction is comparable to, but independent of, that of thrombolytic or antiplatelet therapy."

It great for medical cardiac issues and conveniently forgotten in favour of drugs.
Also....interesting fact if you push mag sulfate it causes "orgasms" in females.

Just had an 8g vit c drip with 1g mag sulfate and 200mg selenium.

[johnjackson]

Also....interesting fact if you push mag sulfate it causes "orgasms" in females.

please elaborate how i can find this out!!
give a women a few grams of MG? or does it have to be an IV drip?

[jimmylesante]

give a women a few grams of MG? or does it have to be an IV drip?
An IV push.

[johnjackson]

give a women a few grams of MG? or does it have to be an IV drip?
An IV push.

well nuts
I dont have IV MG!

[jimmylesante]

I am going to try it on my wife and see if it is true!

[johnjackson]

I am going to try it on my wife and see if it is true!

let us know how it goes

also
try a few mg of yohimbine HCL

try it fasting, as long as you dont have high blood pressure
and have her try it
if anything, she'll shed fat