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Lp(a) vs CAC AND WHAT TO DO ABOUT IT

Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 6:32 pm
by johnjackson

Re: Lp(a) vs CAC AND WHAT TO DO ABOUT IT

Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2019 2:10 pm
by ofonorow
Under the Pauling/Rath theory, Lp(a) acts as a surrogate for chronically low levels of vitamin C.

What makes up the plaques in arteries is a different matter, and calcium scores seem to be dependent on vitamin K (and/or vitamin K depleting drugs, e.g. warfarin)

Re: Lp(a) vs CAC AND WHAT TO DO ABOUT IT

Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:38 pm
by johnjackson
thanks, Owen
So I have low Lp(a), recently got tested just because..
I was on Pauling THerapy for 5-6yrs before because high or low Lp(a), didnt matter, PT that is what you do when you have high Lp(a) and for general health.

now I am thinking about my CAC score....
it is much harder to get a MRI or CT scan to measure CAC, than a simple bloood test to measure Lp(a_

so how do I lower a CAC score?


Is it as simple as:
Pauling therapy+more lysine and more k2?

I mentioned Dr Dach has a site deditcated to lowering CAC
https://jeffreydachmd.com/how-to-revers ... ium-score/

he says stuff like
a) Reduction of LDL to 60 mg/dl (LDL should be measured directly, not calculated)
b) Reduction of triglycerides to 60 mg/dl.
c) Raising HDL to 60 mg/dl.
-get normal BP
-get normal sugars< 100mg/dl
- crp <1ng
Niacin
wine
flaxseed
more protien(yeah, LYSINE)
more fiber
1-3g vitC
mg
arginine(no, citrilline is better)
Normalize thyroid/sex hormones


-Dr dach throws everything at you, like they do when they tell you how to prevent heart disease.. so I find his info rather cookie cutter/generalized and since heart disease is the #1 killer, this info isnt working

SO what does the Vitamin C foundation say on how to lower CAC?
id imagine there is a page that describes PT and/or how to reduce CAC score, but I cannot find it.

Re: Lp(a) vs CAC AND WHAT TO DO ABOUT IT

Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2019 10:24 am
by ofonorow
In my case (and my wife's) simply taking Cardio-C, Pauling's other recommendations PLUS vitamin K, has kept both our calcium scores at zero.

If your is not zero, are you taking ANY medications? Any drugs at all?

Re: Lp(a) vs CAC AND WHAT TO DO ABOUT IT

Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 1:30 am
by johnjackson
I havent tested mine, Id need a Rx to get it done(I think) the lp(a) test was easy via LF

I am not on any medication, aside from PT nutrients..... since being on PT, I dont get sick, or even take zyrtec for nasal congestion from the dusty building I work in
My boss still takes zyrtec daily, I take nothin like it, cept AA

Re: Lp(a) vs CAC AND WHAT TO DO ABOUT IT

Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 10:27 am
by johnjackson
my mom got her Lp(a) tested 2x
once calculated 177
once measured 195

she takes 10 grams AA day, 10 grams lysine and 2 vit k2 pills from Koncenrated k--25mg mk4 and .5mg mk 7
she is on a plant based diet(no meat/low(no) dairy)
she also takes 500mg niacin daily

what else can she do?
--she on blood pressure medication and has more than 1 root canal

Re: Lp(a) vs CAC AND WHAT TO DO ABOUT IT

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:40 am
by ofonorow
Those are good Lp(a) scores assuming the units are nmol/l where 170 is normal.

Re: Lp(a) vs CAC AND WHAT TO DO ABOUT IT

Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 3:08 pm
by johnjackson
I gooogled ranges and
L. A normal level is less than 30 mg/dL (300 mg/L) or less than 75 nmols/L. Levels higher than this are associated with an increased risk of heart attack, stroke, or narrowed arteries supplying blood to vital organs,
so her measured range of 195nmol/L isnt that bad?

but mine ix <8.4 nmol/L

Im retesting her in 6 months, the only change is more AA/lysine/vitk2

Re: Lp(a) vs CAC AND WHAT TO DO ABOUT IT

Posted: Sat Nov 16, 2019 11:21 am
by ofonorow
I stand corrected - yes 70 is the normal in nmol/l

Re: Lp(a) vs CAC AND WHAT TO DO ABOUT IT

Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 8:11 am
by johnjackson
dang it!
I think her issue is all her root canals
shehad cancer in 08, had a lump removed, lost 80lbs and has kept it off since then and eats a DASH diet way.(lots of veggies.fruits, some nuts, little to fat, dairy, meat)

I dont know what to do with her though
will more niacin help ? she takes 100mg day