Trying Vitamin C therapy for partially blocked coronary artery

[ron.brown1963]

Hello,

Thanks for accepting me to this forum.
I have read Practicing Medicine Without a License.
I have stable angina pain with exertion.
56 year old male, active lifestyle.
Performed a CAC scan, total calcium score, 468. The majority of calcium was in LAD,(Left Anterior Descending) with LAD score 440.

I am currently on the Pauling Protocol for the last 8 months.
I plan on re-performing the CAC scan at one year interval to check for observable results.
To date, I have not seen any results for less angina pain with exertion, nor have I seen any change in the amount of exertion required to initiate angina pain.
I am not and have not taken any medications other than protocol below.

Currently taking daily for last 8 months:

Vit. C...18 grams
Lysine...6 grams
Proline...3 grams
Vit K2/Mk7...600mcg
Vit E...900IU
Aspirin...160mg
Kyolic Aged garlic...3.6 grams
Omega fish oil...30 grams
Magnesium...300mg
CoQ10...300mg

Low Carb diet, lots of water, no sugar.

To be honest, after reading the Pauling Protocol book and the many accounts of blockages cleared; I thought this was the way to go and I had a good chance of healing myself if this protocol worked.
As you all know...the doctors and researchers do not have any faith in this protocol, as they point to lack of evidence or research data to prove it.
I have done hours and hours of reading. The rebuttals of, "the Vit C dosages were not high enough during testing trials"
"The medical/pharmaceutical system does not want a cheap cure for coronary blockages."

I can discount all that, especially if I have a good result. But so far, it is not looking good.

Do any other members on this forum have experience with following Vit C protocol and not clearing the coronary blockages?

Thanks,
Ron Brown

[Robert]

Why low carb? Meta analyses of seventeen observational studies of >270,000 people concluded that low-carbohydrate diets increase mortality risk.

[ron.brown1963]

Thanks for the reply.
To start, I lost 60 lbs on my current low carb, no sugar diet. I had the angina before I started the low carb diet. I feel great since going on the low carb diet a couple years ago....just this darn angina, which led me to performing a CAC scan. I was hoping that going low carb and losing the weight would help with my angina...nope..
I have read a lot of the observational studies...they are just that, observational...not clinical trials.
"However, this analysis is based on limited observational studies and large-scale trials on the complex interactions between low-carbohydrate diets and long-term outcomes are needed."
Heck...it could be because people that choose low carb diets are more likely to ride motorcycles, drink whiskey and smoke....thats the problem with "observational" studies....no controls, just an observation of self reporting subjects.

If we went by studies...I don't think the Vit C therapy would rank high in any studies. I tried looking for clinical studies that lend credence to this therapy...not much found after the initial testing years ago, which was inconclusive, or disproved the Vit C therapy, depending on how you look at it.
Before the Vit C folks jump on me....I realize the testing did not include the high dosages we are taking.

I am onboard with the Vit C...but I think if after one year I don't see results, probably need to move in a different direction.

I will stick with the Pauling Therapy for at least a year...I am 8 months in. After one year I will re-scan to see if there is any improvement in my coronary calcium/plaque. I would be happy if it would just help my angina, but I can't notice any change after 8 months of dosage.

I thought maybe someone on this forum might give me some input on their path....maybe they performed the same test of PT. using angina and or CAC scan?

[DiverDown2]

I am no expert, but I would raise magnesium to 1200 mg. daily (400 mg. x 3 ), maybe check potassium level, and raise Nitric Oxide levels, be sure you get enough B vitamins especially B6,B12,B4 and Folic acid.
Once I raised magnesium to 1200 mg. daily and take potassium 4 x wk. and keep N.O. levels up and started B-Complex 2x daily and extra B6, I stopped having any angina or skip beats.

[johnjackson]

Why low carb? Meta analyses of seventeen observational studies of >270,000 people concluded that low-carbohydrate diets increase mortality risk.

that;s a great question, I know a lot of people on atkins/keto/carnivore diets, or whatever the latest term is for a low/no carb diet
why?
Ketosis/low carb/ diet is great if you have adolescent epilepsy
and it is a great way to lose water weight(sugar get stored as glycogen(sugar+water), use the stored glycogen, and dont replace it, you lose all that water, which can mean 10-20+lbs of water weight lost depending on your size

problems are numerous with keto diets:
no metabolic advantage, so keto vs sugar diet, you still lose fat at the same rate
https://bodyrecomposition.com/research/ ... view.html/

or this dude who just tracked calories andf lost fat eat mostly junk food
http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/tw ... index.html


limited choices
high fat diet isnt as healthy as a low fat one via dr john mcdougal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyRuDpqYuvY

the healthiest diets have lots of fruits/veggies

[ron.brown1963]

I am no expert, but I would raise magnesium to 1200 mg. daily (400 mg. x 3 ), maybe check potassium level, and raise Nitric Oxide levels, be sure you get enough B vitamins especially B6,B12,B4 and Folic acid.
Once I raised magnesium to 1200 mg. daily and take potassium 4 x wk. and keep N.O. levels up and started B-Complex 2x daily and extra B6, I stopped having any angina or skip beats.

Thanks for your input...so far you are the only response to the original question as to whether the PT actually works for clearing coronary calcium/plaque....or helping with angina.
Everyone else seems to be concentrated on my low carb diet.
I will try raising my magnesium level and try some potassium.
To be honest, I forgot to include that I have started taking neo40 for nitric oxide
Thanks again.

[ron.brown1963]

[johnjackson]

good luck with the new CAC scan
a low carb diet is great for lowering blood pressure for sure, as is mentioned above

when it comes to weight loss, do whatever works!!

[Robert]

Low-carb diets and their long term effects on mortality and heart disease are extremely well studied as many diabetics went down that route. It works in the short and mid-term period. It isn't helping your heart disease. There's a new book out called Mastering Diabetes: this is their online library of research https://www.masteringdiabetes.org/bookinfo/ An oddly high amount of this book is about diet and CVD. I think your answers are in here.

[johnjackson]

interesting as I clicked on the page and a topic poppped up
Low-fat, plant-based, whole-food nutrition

Learn the science behind eating nutrient-dense, carbohydrate-rich food to reverse insulin resistance

which Isnt low carb
which is the same topic that Dr John MCdougal preaches
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyRuDpqYuvY



so where in your link is there anything about low carb?
I have diabetic friends and family and Im wanting to know what's best/

[Robert]

[ron.brown1963]

interesting as I clicked on the page and a topic poppped up
Low-fat, plant-based, whole-food nutrition

Learn the science behind eating nutrient-dense, carbohydrate-rich food to reverse insulin resistance

which Isnt low carb
which is the same topic that Dr John MCdougal preaches
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyRuDpqYuvY



so where in your link is there anything about low carb?
I have diabetic friends and family and Im wanting to know what's best/

Yeah....not sure what you are clicking on, but I provided two links:


1. https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritions ... ate-diets/

Which compares low carb diets to low fat diets, with low carb winning out.


2. https://healthdaddy.org/studies-on-low- ... fat-diets/

Which compares low carb with low fat diets reviewing 27 studies.
Again...low carb comes out looking pretty good.

I am not diabetic, I recently performed my yearly medical for overseas offshore work:
HbA1c =4.9%
Triglycerides 1.00 mmol/L
Both normal healthy readings...remember I have been eating low carb for over 2 years!
Lost 60 lbs within the 1st year and have kept if off.
My overall health is good, I have great energy, my gut health is better, no more acid indigestion

I am the poster boy for a low carb lifestyle!

As I said previously...all these reviewed studies are good for research, but it all comes back to the same thing...RESULTS!
I have had very good results in the over 2 years I have been on the low carb way of eating...I will be the 1st to raise my hand if that changes.

Back to Vitamin C therapy for clearing coronary calcium/plaque
I was willing to forge ahead, despite not seeing many good reviews of this therapy...it sounds so promising.
I have been very dedicated to reading the literature and following the Vit C, Lysine, Proline, and misc. supplements.
I will sing it from the roof tops if I see some verifiable results, either a lessening of angina pain with exertion, or a clinical observation of any clearing of calcium/plaque with my next CAC scan.
I know if I go to see a coronary specialist he will tell me they need to stent me.

Not pointing any fingers....but it seems like most on here want to deflect the conversation to something else beside the Vit C therapy for clearing coronary blockages.

I think I am in the correct forum topic?
Heart Disease: Linus Pauling's Vitamin C/Lysine Therapy

[johnjackson]

Not pointing any fingers....but it seems like most on here want to deflect the conversation to something else beside the Vit C therapy for clearing coronary blockages.

I think I am in the correct forum topic?
Heart Disease: Linus Pauling's Vitamin C/Lysine Therapy

well, you deflected different topics

1 fat loss
2 best diet for diabetics

my points are clear
there is no metabolic advantage to not eating sugar for dieting: dieting is about calories, mostly

and for diabetic diet, low fat, with high veggies looks great
sure, a keto diet also keeps down BS, but is a high fat diet healthy? or a high protein diet?

as for clearing cornary arteries, yes
vit C
proline/lysine
vit K2
serraptase
niacin
are all whiat you should be taking

[ron.brown1963]

Thanks for the feedback on low carb diets, diabetics, and fat loss.
I think I will stay on the low carb healthy diet, as it appears to be a winner for me, as you can see from my results and blood tests.



Back to my original post;
Does anyone on this forum have any personal experience, or personal knowledge of someone that has actually had coronary calcium/plaque, that showed up in a CAC scan or other means of testing or had stable angina?
If so...I would like to hear from them on their results using the PT.

I would think the Vit C forum would have a good number of personal success stories that could be shared...that way I could ask some pertinent questions directly to the person that had a good or no result with Vit C.

Vitamin C therapy...coronary calcium/plaque

[johnjackson]

I am also very curious about this, as my mom as high Lp(a) and calcification in her Coronary arteries


Ron,
I hope I didnt come off against what you were posting....I did say in post 8: "when it comes to weight loss, do whatever works!!"

like this guy, who ate 20% plant based diet and 80 % junk food, but tracked calories and lost bodyfat and lower lipids
http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/tw ... index.html


you are doing one of the hardest things, losing weight
keep it up!