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How to Debunk using Vitamin C in ICUs

Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2019 9:39 am
by ofonorow
https://journals.lww.com/ccmjournal/Abstract/2019/06000/The_Effect_of_Vitamin_C_on_Clinical_Outcome_in.5.aspx

Here is how medicine reacts when faced with pressure to utilize the almost universally successful Marik protocol of Vitamin C, hydrocortisone and Thiamine for sepsis; and thus bankrupt most hospitals. Instead of running a study (which has been done multiple times with results in support of Dr. Marik), once creates a pseudo study, e.g. a "meta analysis." One could run 10,000 studies of 500 mg of vitamin C and get the results reported in this analysis. More doesn't make the results better, as we know at this forum, dosage is the most important factor regarding the success of any vitamin C treatment, especially for deathly ill patients.

Re: How to Debunk using Vitamin C in ICUs

Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2019 7:01 am
by johnjackson
I didnt see how much vit C was used in this "study"?
you say 500mg? I dont see it....

I am on a low fat forum and similar phenomena happens there, when investigating a low fat diet vs regular fatty diet, they dont use a low fat diet. they compare a high fat diet to a not as high fat diet, but not a low fat diet

IV C in real life
this was on 60 minutes(tv show)
abouta Farmer in Aukland got swine flu and the MDs wanted to take him off life support
his family wanted IVC.
he got it
his lungs cleared, he was doing better
MDs said no, too much vit C
he went downhill with no vit C
family sued, he's ok with vit C lipo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrhkoFcOMII

Re: How to Debunk using Vitamin C in ICUs

Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2019 7:14 am
by ofonorow
And your post has what to do with the obvious misinformation in this meta "study?"

Re: How to Debunk using Vitamin C in ICUs

Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2019 8:25 am
by johnjackson
ofonorow wrote:And your post has what to do with the obvious misinformation in this meta "study?"

My post relays the information that I saw no amount of vit C used
and has a story that shows the medical association is against Vit C usage, even when it was making the PT better, thereby supporting the topic of the post

Re: How to Debunk using Vitamin C in ICUs

Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2019 3:15 am
by AnaKat
Here is a current study: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/31142242

Here is more information about the clinical trial: https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT03333278

It seems they are using the correct dosing in accordance with the Marik Protocol? I'm very interested to see the results.

Re: How to Debunk using Vitamin C in ICUs

Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2019 6:26 am
by ofonorow
Thank you for the link. That is at least one of the real studies the "meta analysis" study is designed to debunk. There is a long pattern of phony studies being publicized to debunk real science that might harm the bottom line of medicine.