I'm just gonna answer stuff, I put your questions in bold:
but-first off, rehashing my point of view : my only beef was about calories!! you said you can't get lean on X calories/day(ie a diet with lower calories) because the body will adjust(I assume you meant "
metabolic damage" which is:
Stopped losing fat despite maintained low calories/high activity
Started regaining fat despite those same maintained low calories/high activity
that's when i mentioned the Minnesota starvation experiment/study(Im sure you couold search that term and find the exact post,but doesnt really matter)
in this study, where non obese guys all ate 50% of their maintenance calories and walked(no weights) for 6 months, in a clinical setting
at the end of this study
the guys were all at 4-5% bodyfat
-total drop in metabolic rate was 40%
That is, of the original 50% deficit in calories, 80% of it had been offset. Of that 40%, a full 25% was simply due to the reduced bodyweight. Again, lighter bodies burn less calories and there’s no getting around it. But that also means that the adaptive component of metabolic rate reduction was only 15%. Which is about the largest drop ever measured (most studies measure less).
But here’s the punchline, the men had also reached the limits of human leanness. They were in the realm of 4-5% body fat by this point in the study. Even though their fat loss had basically stopped (and at some points in the study WEIGHT loss stopped due to severe water retention) it didn’t occur until they reached ultimate leanness (NB: the claims of bodybuilders to be 2-3% bodyfat is a measurement error). And even they were still losing tiny amounts of weight/fat. It just wouldn’t have amounted to much since most of the deficit had been offset by the metabolic rate reduction
https://bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/ ... mage.html/ What does eating twinkies prove againpoint being if you eat in a deficit, you are going to drop mass
---that was when you kept saying the diet didnt work cause people got fat again
that is different topic,, you will lose weight, what you do afterwards isnt part of the diet, the point is YOU LOST THE WEIGHT
and that's where the topic ended for me,
so yes, MM follows what dr mcougal already spouts plant based diet
and yes cutting calories does work watch
you weight 200lbs, you want to be 170lbs, you burn 2500 calories/day
you cut calories, lift weghts(maintain muscle) and eventualy you get to 170lbs
now you lost bodymass and burn 2000 calories..(lighter people burn less)
so now you eat 2000 calories and stay at your 170lbs
if your weight goes up, eat less, weight goes down, eat more
My diabetic friends,fat causes insulin resistance and now you say also hurts the liver,, I am very much in agreement