Vitamin B5 (Pantothenic Acid) - The Anti-Fat Vitamin?

[sjmusic2]

Not sure if that response is directed @ me, but I have read Leung's hypothesis.

My point though has nothing to do with Leung's theory, what I am saying is that you can achieve the very same results (significant weight loss) without going into ketosis and without supplementing mega-doses of B5 by controlling carbs between 50-100g per day.



from Primal Blueprint by Mark Sisson.

I highly recommend reading Primal Blueprint or at the very least browsing http://www.MarksDailyApple.com for lots of free, science-based information on the topics of nutrition, health and weight loss. As with anything, do your own research and form your own opinions on the validity of what is presented.

[ofonorow]

My point though has nothing to do with Leung's theory, what I am saying is that you can achieve the very same results (significant weight loss) without going into ketosis and without supplementing mega-doses of B5 by controlling carbs between 50-100g per day.

Thanks for the pointer. However, if true, why then to people seem to fall off the bandwagon and gain the weight back? What is the rate of weight loss, and if you have a preferred argument/ link, I'd like to read it.

Added, I did look over that site. Interesting. I missed seeing anything about ketosis? (Are you on the program? Does it work for you?) I did notice that the most popular supplement has about 100 times the "recommended" amount of vitamin B5 (e.g. 250 mg) Providing the body some carbohydrates to burn, may be a good idea, especially for some people. If you are trying to metabolize and burn your stores of fat, you would go into ketosis without vitamin B5. Unless I am missing something, this would a slower fat burning program.

[sjmusic2]

However, if true, why then to people seem to fall off the bandwagon and gain the weight back?

The short answer is that most don't fall off if they make it a lifestyle-change commitment rather than a temporary 'diet' (fad).

What is the rate of weight loss

Rate of weight loss is subjective, each of us is different and there are many variables to consider so there is no specific number, but if you read the success stories on the site (and forum) you will see there are accounts of major weight-loss without hunger. The benefits are not limited to weight-loss though, many see other conditions improve including auto-immune and metabolic diseases. I will emphasize that this is not a nutrition-only program, sleep, exercise and stress-reduction are also key components.

if you have a preferred argument/ link, I'd like to read it.

The best recommendation I can give you is to read the book, though even just browsing the website and forum you will learn a tremendous amount. Use the search tool for specific areas of interest.

I missed seeing anything about ketosis?

Hope you don't mind if I use links rather than clog up the thread with articles...

Sisson has been heavily researching ketosis lately and is about to release a book... http://www.marksdailyapple.com/get-ready-to-reset-and-go-keto-incredible-pre-order-bonus-offer/

This from 2008 ! http://www.marksdailyapple.com/dear-mark-ketosis/
His 'definitive' guide http://www.marksdailyapple.com/the-definitive-guide-to-keto/
Is keto for everyone ? http://www.marksdailyapple.com/is-keto-for-everyone-cautions-caveats-and-contraindications/

There are lots more ketosis-related posts...
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/?s=ketosis

Are you on the program? Does it work for you?

I have been Primal since around 2010, my first experience involved getting down to under 100g carbs per day (many times lower, but rarely into ketosis-zone). I went through 10 days of Herxheimer, then when I came out the other side my energy levels went through he roof and I had become fat-adapted. I still play soccer competitively (aged 50) against college and high schoolers, rarely eat before a morning game and have no issues running and sprinting for 90mins. I will add one note that when I first changed to primal I did notice an initial drop in energy, presumably because I was still adapted to burning carbs as my primary energy source.
There are definitely days when I allow myself to cheat a little without guilt, though my body will frequently remind me that I'm not eating high quality food ! And the best part of being Primal...fried eggs and bacon...and butter

I also took the liberty of sending Leung's theory to Sisson to see if he had any thoughts. It's a long shot because he receives thousands of emails daily, but I'll let you know if anything comes of it.

[ofonorow]

[ofonorow]

??? Ketosis is a wasteful way to burn fat - because it leaves ketone bodies. With coenzyme A - a more efficient, clean fat burn is accomplished that doesn't leave ketone bodies - which the body otherwise has to deal with.

[Johnwen]

[sjmusic2]

Which book would you recommend starting with?

Start with "The Primal Blueprint" by Mark Sisson.

You could also read his definitive guide to keto (2nd link in my article list above)

[ofonorow]

Ordered and read.

[johndom1]

I began a low carb diet Feb 2017 after my heart attack.. At the time, I started "South Beach" at the advice of my Dr. This is characterized by "leaner" meats and more "processed" type foods. The more research I did on diet, I realized that I more "whole foods" (less processed, non-GMO, closer to the dirt and animal). I also realized that if I ate more high-quality fat, I would need less protein and less filler food.

A month later, March 2017, I switch to a low carb, high fat diet, more natural diet. Since then, I have never been hungry, I have never been in full blown ketosis. I tried to go ketonic but never could make it. I eat tons of vegetables, mainly non-starch, cruciferous. I eat smaller portions of meat, but higher in fat. I am completely satiated, happy and have no cravings -- none.

I have limited my carb intake to ~15 grams per meal (these come strictly from fiber rich vegetables).

I have lost, on average, about 10 pounds per month. Between Feb and July, I lost 60 pounds. I have tracked my weight and recorded it once a week. My weight loss has been segments:
Feb - Mar: large, blocky weight loses of 5 or 6 pounds one week, none the next
Apr - no weight loss but, I did lose inches around my waist
May - July: very smooth, consistent weight loss of 3 pounds per week
Aug - no weight loss, I did appear to "tone up" during this period
Sept - weight loss has resumed, 5 pounds 1st week.

I tried B5 (3 grams per day divided) in Aug. It dried my face, reduced oil production in my hair and I lost no weight. I switched to pantethine, it gave my diarrhea after a week. It may or may not have restarted my weight loss.

I have had great results on low carb. Because of the heart attack, I also have my blood tested and all my cholesterol parameters have shockingly increased.

[ofonorow]

Congratulations, except for the last sentence. But since cholesterol is vital for life, you probably don't have anything to worry about. Curious, what are the cholesterol numbers?

[johndom1]

I am sorry, very poor choice of words on my part. I meant that the quality of my numbers has increased, not necessarily the numerical value. Sorry, sorry.

I don't worry about LDL but it has not gone up, it has lowered a little bit.
Triglycerides have dropped 30% on last check.
HDL has risen by 10% on last check.

My last check was ~3 months.

[ofonorow]

Ahhh. I see, and that would be more expected on a low-carb diet. This is what the late Dr. Atkins, a cardiologist, observed in his patients when they reduced carbs - "better" (usually lower) cholesterol numbers.

[tangy]

I have been taking just 1800-2400 of Now Pantethine. Below is my 3 rd week report.


Pros:

1) Lost 1 pound.

2) Even facial skin tone.

3) 60% reduction of facial oil and 80% reduction in white heads.


Cons:

Losing skin oil from hands and legs making skin to crack all over.

Lost a lot of hair!

[Stone_Circles]

Lost a lot of hair!

why would that be? anyone know?

doesn't seem good

[confused1]

Some anecdotal fuel for the fire--- Since I started taking daily 3g. Pantothenic acid and 600mg. Pantethine two months ago, I've lost 10 lbs. without consciously changing my diet. Maybe I am not quite as hungry or maybe I'm a little more active. But I haven't deliberately tried to eat less or exercise more. I've also added 12.5mg. Iodine from lugol's solution so that may have factored in. Not very scientific I know, but I'm happy nonetheless. Lol, I put on a pair of jeans the other day and they were really tight and I thought, "Oh great, I'm gaining weight." Turns out they were my son's, size 34" waist!