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Re: Vitamin B5 (Pantothenic Acid) - The Anti-Fat Vitamin?
Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2017 7:33 am
by ofonorow
It helps, but what if... What if the B5 has improved things to the extent that now more "normal" RBCs are appearing, and the other type are left overs from the pre-vitamin B5 era?
Re: Vitamin B5 (Pantothenic Acid) - The Anti-Fat Vitamin?
Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2017 12:53 pm
by Johnwen
Re: Vitamin B5 (Pantothenic Acid) - The Anti-Fat Vitamin?
Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2017 8:24 am
by ofonorow
I'm not sure my docs are up to the task. Assuming your scenario is correct, that something "else" is missing, any ideas? The earlier post mentioned that hormone required to make RBCs.. Should I ask about that?
Bottom line, is that I have been feeling great, whether the high B5, DMSO/IV, etc., other than my body noticing the mesh and trying to dissolve it, I really feel good. Furthermore, I have been diagnosed as "anemic" since before 2010... My docs have looked into (as have you!) but never resolved it. The closest thing to resolving it seems to be the high dose vitamin B5.
And my endo has weaned my cortisol down to 30 mg/day... No pain, no problems, no errors...
Re: Vitamin B5 (Pantothenic Acid) - The Anti-Fat Vitamin?
Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2017 11:59 am
by Johnwen
Re: Vitamin B5 (Pantothenic Acid) - The Anti-Fat Vitamin?
Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:23 am
by ofonorow
In out time of 14 days is confusing. Google reports the life of RBCs is 120 days, or 4 months. Which is about where we are since starting B5
Re: Vitamin B5 (Pantothenic Acid) - The Anti-Fat Vitamin?
Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 11:46 am
by Johnwen
Re: Vitamin B5 (Pantothenic Acid) - The Anti-Fat Vitamin?
Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 7:18 am
by ofonorow
Accidentally discovered that not taking massive (10,000 mg) of vitamin B5 does adversely affect my adrenal function
Discussing at new topic: http://vitaminc.foundation/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=13727#p51419
Re: Vitamin B5 (Pantothenic Acid) - The Anti-Fat Vitamin?
Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2018 5:06 pm
by sammy12345
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Re: Vitamin B5 (Pantothenic Acid) - The Anti-Fat Vitamin?
Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 7:13 am
by sammy12345
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Re: Vitamin B5 (Pantothenic Acid) - The Anti-Fat Vitamin?
Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2018 2:01 am
by sammy12345
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Re: Vitamin B5 (Pantothenic Acid) - The Anti-Fat Vitamin?
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2018 10:03 am
by ofonorow
sammy12345 wrote:After thinking about it more I have decided to just stay on pantothenic acid high dose instead of panthenol for a few reasons. Panthenol is an analog- it is not naturally occurring- it has not been studied long term where as pantothenic acid has a study of 12g dosage a day for 4 years with no toxic effects-the studies saying panthenol is more bio available may be faked just to sell panthenol when it was first under patent decades ago; this seems common with analogs of things. Might try pantothenic acid in enteric coated capsules to save having to take such a large amount each day as multiple sources suggest it breaks down a lot in the stomach.
Appreciate your expertise, and sorry about the delay in responding (Apparently everything that happens in Vegas doesn't stay in Vegas - I took influenza Type A home with me.).
It sounds like you found an expensive source of CoEnzyme A? Is that true?
We focused on pantothenic acid and pantethine - because, at least for Acne, the pantethine form was effective at about 1/5 the dose of ordinary vitamin B5.
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Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 11:01 pm
by sammy12345
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Re: Vitamin B5 (Pantothenic Acid) - The Anti-Fat Vitamin?
Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 7:37 am
by ofonorow
Interesting. Somewhere in this long thread is the link to the doctor using pantethine for acne, (versus the original paper by Leung). As it was explained to me, by a biochemist, pantethine is a more complete CoA precursor, so the body has to do less work to convert it into CoA.
Re: Vitamin B5 (Pantothenic Acid) - The Anti-Fat Vitamin?
Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 4:46 am
by sammy12345
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Re: Vitamin B5 (Pantothenic Acid) - The Anti-Fat Vitamin?
Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 6:56 am
by ofonorow
Again, clinical pantathine use would say otherwise...
So here is a poor picture (I hope to improve) from a book THE WONDERFUL WORLD WITHIN YOU by Roger J Williams. It shows the same strain of microorganism, yeast, but the bottom two photos are the yeast after a "nutritional enhancement."
The ingredient that promoted this difference turned out to be pantothenic acid (vitamin B5) which was unknown at the time these photos were taken.
Note: Roger J. Williams is credited with the discovery of vitamin B5, and these photos may indicate why he pursued this...