davids1 wrote:ofonorow wrote:In the Willis guinea pig experiments on the reversibility of atherosclerosis, it is true that vitamin C alone was the surprising single factor. But when Willis progressed to humans, only 1/3 of the subjects experienced reversals in their atherosclerotic plaques. (in 1/3 of his human subjects, their heart conditions got worse.)
If you remember the very first case Pauling reported (and on the Video - I will look for the snippet) the National Academy of Sciences Medal Winner had heart disease, despite his 5 grams of vitamin C daily. He still had angina and trouble walking. The first case is in this video snippet:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN8up1U ... r_embedded )
After Pauling suggested he add 5 grams of lysine, a month later this scientist was chopping wood.
Hi Owen,
Three points:
1) I [for one] do not find it "surprising" at
all that the "single factor" of "a large amount" of ascorbate reversed the guinea pig's atherosclerosis.
2) Do you know [and/or can you direct me to the study]
if Willis used the
same proportional amount of vitamin C with the human subjects as with the guinea pigs? Because,
why would he get those results, e.g. some people got
worse? Personally, I have complete faith that, as Levy put it, "I am absolutely convinced of one thing -- when
enough vitamin C is given...for a long enough time, vitamin C
helps virtually every condition..." [emphasis mine] Further, the humans were probably not as healthy as the guinea pigs [we usually are not], and therefore needed an even
larger [proportional] amount of ascorbate, e.g. a Bowel Tolerance dose [if it was being given orally].
As has happened so many times, in so-called "objective" studies, again quoting Levy, "...when tiny doses have been tested....researchers often report that vitamin C had no positive clinical effect. Many seemingly unethical studies appear to have employed this fact to discredit vitamin C's efficacy by purposely testing with very small amounts. The researchers then conclude that vitamin C was of no value at all, rather than just ineffective at a tiny dose." In
my particular case, "5 grams" [or even 10, for that matter] would be a "tiny" dose indeed!
3) In the case of the scientist, we do
not know that an
additional 5 grams of
ascorbic acid would not have had the
same beneficial effect as the additional 5 grams of lysine. True? I am most certainly not questioning lysine's efficacy [when combined with adequate amounts of ascorbate] in reversing atherosclerosis. I was simply trying to point out, in this case to Zarna, that there is scientific evidence that ascorbate
alone could accomplish the same beneficial result.
Just saying,
David
Dear Owen and David,
Owen I take it that i have not given details from the beginning. Also i was out of WI FI , they had breakdown, I am back on. Here are the details of my sickness:
1. In 1992 I saw Cardiologist friend to make sure that having the history of cardiovascular disrase in the family that I am cleared of it. Had no symptoms. He did my stress test, then went on to nuclear test and finally after about 2 months i had angiography done. My major right artery of heart had 95% blockage, two left arteries were 45-50% blocked. He also said my arteries like that of indians, thin, so he said bypass is not possible but i shall have to stay on medicines the whole of my life. they were ASpirin 100mg, Lipitor 5 mg and tenormin 25mg. over a period of time these doses increased to Aspirin 100mg, Lipitor 40mg and Tenormin 50mg. until i had cardiac arrest - HEART FAILURE ONE DAY IN THE PARK. I was dead for about 5mins till ambulance came, but there was a nurse who was giving me mouth to mouth, no result. After 3 shocks i cam to and they immediately took me to my hospital 30 km away. i survived till next day, took me for angio but i collapsed and they did emergency surgery opening the heart to see what they could do. Gave me 20% chance to live. I have lost4 days of my life, only woke up in ICU the 4th day and got the news.
2. Since then i have gone to hospital a few times thru ambulance. still on medicine. My carotid artery has been operated. after 2008 I started not believing in medicines. i believed in surgery but I thought medicines did not cure diseases. They just maintained you. I started searching for cure since 2009. Slowly I gave up all medication. I experimented with Serrapeptase, Nattokinese, DHEA etc. I think I was a little novice because I did not give anything enough time. Now I realise that to cure/reverse plaques, you need to give yourself atleast 2 years. i am notv wiser and I think I have found the right application in Vit C. I have put all my faith in this.
3. So Owen, my vascular plaque and blockages are related to heart and may be even diet. i am doing my best to avoid what I should not take. I was want to see a sucess with this. Also i shall take your advise to change Tower Tech to Ascorsene-9 if it helps. But your postages are killers. So still stay on 1 tub and the rest I shall make myself. At the moment I take about 17gms Ascorbate, 17gms L-Lysine, 1/2 tsp proline and 2 little spoons Stevia. I think stevia seems to be the stabiliser in that I do not get diorrhea with all stools. Only one does empty my stomach and I am actually very comfortable with these doses. I can even increase the dose a little.
MY QUESTION IS WILL THIS WORK OWEN? AM I ON THE RIGHT TRACK? AND AT WHAT INTERVALS SHOULD I BE TAKING THESE DOSES? HOURLY OR TWO HOURLY? SHOULD THE VIT C BE SUPPLIED CONTINUOUSLY TO ARTERIES OR CAN THAT BE CHANGED? I TAKE THIS DOSE IN 700ML OF WATER.
4. If either of you can throw a light on this I will be very happy. I have found a doctor who is willing for me to do this therapy but has given me advise to take 2 things.
a. Take Aspirin which i did since 6 months now - my solution in place of aspirin was Serrapeptase (which i still take) and nattokinese. they both are known to thin your blood.
b. This is one DRUG introduced in my life again. It IS HYDROCHLOROTHIAZIDE 12.5MG + TEMISARTAN 40MG CALLED MICARDIS PLUS made by Boehringer Ingelheim.
she is a nice doctor and I do not mind a bit of her care. She said a bit of this and a bit of that. But ofcourse she will not know if Vit C will reverse my plaque.
I think I have given you detailed history, my disease is heart and arteris related. So I have put faith in LINUS PSULING philosophy.
I would love to hear from you both David and Owen.
Zarna