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NIACIN and LDL-P and LP PLA 2

Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 5:23 pm
by leshoward

Re: NIACIN and LDL-P and LP PLA 2

Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 10:05 pm
by Johnwen
On the LP PLA2,
The expected values are measured in ng/mL. Average value for females is 174 ng/mL (range 5th - 95th percentile: 120-342), and the average value for males is 251 (range 5th - 95th percentile: 131-376).
Statins will lower this marker that could explain the 90. Looks like your in the same range as 95% of the people tested Now!
Super good results stay the course and have your doc do a liver check at least once a year some people have problems with it on high dose Niacin. It's not a common problem but worth checking.
Keep an eye on your carb intake also ( everybody cheats on this once in a while, just don't make it a habit!!)

Re: NIACIN and LDL-P and LP PLA 2

Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 10:51 am
by leshoward
Johnwen
Since I'm off all statins for 6 months. I'm just concerned that my LP PLA2 went from 47(Sept 2013), to 187 now,,,,,The only thing I am doing different for the past 3-4 months, is taking 1500 Mg Slo-Niacin. I had read (The Simivastin/Niacin Study) that Niacin can increase LP PLA 2...Do you consider this an issue/problem?

Re: NIACIN and LDL-P and LP PLA 2

Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 5:58 pm
by Johnwen
leshoward wrote:(The Simivastin/Niacin Study)

Are you talking about the AIM HIGH Study that was stopped early because they weren't getting the results they expected??

leshoward wrote:Do you consider this an issue/problem?


No! As I stated before your still within range which is considered normal for 95% of the people tested.
As also said Statins lower this number and that's why big pharma jumps all over using these figures and if they were to say niacin (a Supplement!!!) offers better protection then their billion dollar Cash cow what do you think would happen to their gravey train???
If you studied what LP PLA2 is you'll see it's only a small part of a complex process an it has been a focus by big pharma saying it's the king pin of heart disease Why? because statins have an effect on it but you have to dig real deep to find that so does low dose asprin.
As the tide turns and reality starts coming to light as it's starting to now with the new cholesterol guidelines a lot of these falacies will have to be undone so science can see how the human body really works. Then Vitamin C will be the shining star as the true preventer of heart disease as most of us here at this forum already know.
"putting away soap box!"
Have a good day! :)

Re: NIACIN and LDL-P and LP PLA 2

Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 8:49 am
by leshoward

Re: NIACIN and LDL-P and LP PLA 2

Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 10:10 am
by jimmylesante
Hi Leshoward
I recommend a book
Niacin:The Real Story

Here they don't recommend slow release Niacin. They say liver function tests may be raised because of methyl depletion, and further on they recommend 2400mg of lecithin.
The book is an easy read and very informative.

Re: NIACIN and LDL-P and LP PLA 2

Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 10:23 am
by Johnwen
Normal Ranges for AST(SGOT)is 0-40 IU/L and ALT (SGPT) is 0-44 IU/L.
So you are just over the top so I would say go ahead and drop it down to 1000Mg.
I'm the voice of experience here I was doing 2000 and my numbers were pretty close to your's
Dropped to a 1000Mg. and been holding SGOT 18 and SGPT 17 with hardly a change in the other numbers.

ON the glucose are you taking any type of BP meds or beta blockers???

Re: NIACIN and LDL-P and LP PLA 2

Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 10:58 am
by leshoward
As for Glucose....No BP Meds.....Using Olive Leaf Extract fairly successfully....

Re: NIACIN and LDL-P and LP PLA 2

Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 11:07 am
by leshoward
And my Primary care doc..a FRIEND OF MINE,,,said keep @ 1500MG Niacin, as my Lipid profile is super..He said those "elevated " liver levels are barely elevated and shouldnt be an issue...Just watch monitor it with continuing blood tests..

Also my Lipoprotein(a) went from 100 nmol/L to 48 on 1500 Mg Niacin..