Daily Propaganda - It just keeps on coming

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Why You Should Never, Ever Take More Than The Recommended Amount Of Vitamin C

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ ... e3f9e2bf3d

“Excess vitamin C in your diet doesn’t DO anything for your immune system because you just pee it out. And in your pee, the vitamin C becomes Oxalate, which is one of the major causes of KIDNEY STONES! YOU ARE LITERALLY FOLLOWING A DAMN KIDNEY STONE RECIPE,” Winter wrote.

As a main purveyor of "questionable" vitamin C information on the Internet.... he he

Fat soluble vitamins, e.g. vitamin A, D and E are a problem because you don't pee them out, but water soluble vitamins are a problem because you pee them out?

That which winds up in pee depends on the half-life of the soluble vitamin, and vitamin C's half-life is 30 minutes, which means that 4 hours after taking the vitamin the blood level returns to "baseline."

The kidneys are constantly allowing a certain amount of the vitamin to be released through the urine (which Linus Pauling commented is probably good for the urinary tract.) All animals make vitamin C in their kidneys or livers in amounts averaging 9,000 mg per day. They too "pee" out all this vitamin C, so why is it bad if all other species make so much and pee a lot of it out?

When we are under stress, cells open up and grab more vitamin C from the blood. In some conditions, e.g. MONO (Active EBV virus) we can ingest 200 grams of vitamin (200,000 mg) without peeing it out.

The kidney stone issue is a red herring. I am sure there are people with kidney stones who ate a peanut butter sandwich, or wore blue gym shoes. That doesn't mean peanut butter or blue shoes cause kidney stones. When researchers have looked to the cause, they did not find a correlation between vitamin C intake (in fact, in the high vitamin C practice of Dr. Robert Cathcart, MD, he never saw a kidney stone in his patients.). A large Harvard study that found no relation to vitamin C, did find a correlation between low vitamin B6 levels and kidney stones.

Magnesium is also wise if you have stones.

Pauling has an analysis of kidney stones in his 1986 book HOW TO LIVE LONGER AND FEEL BETTER, and basically said that there are two types of kidney stones, one forms in acidic urine the other in alkaline urine. Kidney stones do not form in pH neutral urine. Pauling said that for the type that forms in alkaline urine, ascorbic acid should be protective, while sodium ascorbate (an alkaline form of vitamn C) should help with the other. First morning urine pH is easy to measure with a pH stick. Strive to keep your urine pH neutral.

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Myth of the Month: Vitamin C vs the Common Cold

https://www.mdedge.com/clinicianreviews ... ommon-cold

More thoughtful than most, but she ignores the question of dosage. Per

The effectiveness of vitamin C in preventing and relieving the symptoms of virus-induced respiratory infections
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10543583/

Results: Overall, reported flu and cold symptoms in the test group decreased 85% compared with the control group after the administration of megadose Vitamin C.

Conclusion: Vitamin C in megadoses administered before or after the appearance of cold and flu symptoms relieved and prevented the symptoms in the test population compared with the control group.

High dose vitamin C can eliminate 85% of the symptoms. We devoted this page to "curing the common cold":
https://vitamincfoundation.org/wp/vita ... d-the-flu/

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How many people die from vitamin overdose? Zero. (The last person to be known to have potentially died from a "vitamin" was about 30 years ago. An associate of Roger J Williams researched the death, and the person drank literally a bucket of carrot juice.)

A bucket of carrot juice doesn't sound like such an extreme amount. That killed him?

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I think the bucket provided more than 3,000,000 iu of beta caroteine. Not even vitamin A.

News flash:

Vitamin C inhibits chemotherapy
https://telegrafi.com/en/vitamin-c-inhi ... motherapy/

Implying the chemotherapy works.

It is known that lower amounts of vitamin C seemed to promote, rather than inhibit cancers,, ever since the Pauling/Robinson controversy back in the 1980s. However, high megadoses of vitamin C do not succumb to this problem and work through another mechanism. Most likely the vitamin C is taken up as glucose and becomes a "trojan horse" where the vitamin floods the tumors, but can't provide the energy it needs to divide it would have gotten from glucose.

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It is known that lower amounts of vitamin C seemed to promote, rather than inhibit cancers,, ever since the Pauling/Robinson controversy back in the 1980s. However, high megadoses of vitamin C do not succumb to this problem and work through another mechanism. Most likely the vitamin C is taken up as glucose and becomes a "trojan horse" where the vitamin floods the tumors, but can't provide the energy it needs to divide it would have gotten from glucose.

So taking 3-4 grams a day of ascorbic acid is likely to promote cancer? How significant is the correlation?

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We wrote this White Paper in 2017 after the Sen, et. al. studies from india showed that low doses of vitamin C (and Niacin) could promote cancer "stem cells.," but that higher doses can inhibit Cancer Stem Cells.

https://vitamincfoundation.org/pdfs/Can ... ePaper.pdf

Basic Vitamin C Oral Dosing Recommendation for Cancer Patients

Vitamin C in a daily dosage of 1,000 mg (1 gram) or less would create the
concentrations that cause CSC proliferation (5 to 25 μM/L) and should be avoided
by cancer patients.

Supplement vitamin C, at least 1 gram every 2 hours, as often as possible, no
matter what other cancer therapies you are on. (12,000 mg or 12 g per day) to
maintain a blood level of at least 100 μM/L.

Higher doses, e.g. 2 or 4 grams every 3 to 4 hours would be even more optimal.
(16,000 mg – 24,000 mg (16 g - 24 g) per day.)

The highest dosages, up to 40 to 80 g per day of vitamin C should maintain the
highest optimal CSC killing range studied by Sen, et. al.

Even higher vitamin C dosages are being investigated intravenously (Drisko), but their
optimality w/r to CSCs was not investigated by Sen, and may be contraindicated

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We wrote this White Paper in 2017 after the Sen, et. al. studies from india showed that low doses of vitamin C (and Niacin) could promote cancer "stem cells.," but that higher doses can inhibit Cancer Stem Cells.

https://vitamincfoundation.org/pdfs/Can ... ePaper.pdf

Basic Vitamin C Oral Dosing Recommendation for Cancer Patients

Vitamin C in a daily dosage of 1,000 mg (1 gram) or less would create the
concentrations that cause CSC proliferation (5 to 25 μM/L) and should be avoided
by cancer patients.

Supplement vitamin C, at least 1 gram every 2 hours, as often as possible, no
matter what other cancer therapies you are on. (12,000 mg or 12 g per day) to
maintain a blood level of at least 100 μM/L.

Higher doses, e.g. 2 or 4 grams every 3 to 4 hours would be even more optimal.
(16,000 mg – 24,000 mg (16 g - 24 g) per day.)

The highest dosages, up to 40 to 80 g per day of vitamin C should maintain the
highest optimal CSC killing range studied by Sen, et. al.

Even higher vitamin C dosages are being investigated intravenously (Drisko), but their
optimality w/r to CSCs was not investigated by Sen, and may be contraindicated

Therefore, how do I know I am not promoting cancer by taking 3-4 grams a day of ascorbic acid?

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I would answer that Vitamin C in no way "causes" cancers. If you are healthy, there are no worries with sub-optimal vitamin C intake.

Usually, the more vitamin C one takes, the healthier they are.

Once diagnosed, the plan should be to increase vitamin C to cancer killing levels.

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A new strategy that seems to have come out of the country India, is to create doubt in our minds about combining nutrients causing problems.

The first thing to keep in mind is that nutrients are combined in foods.

As far as the warning about vitamin C and the aluminum in antacids, I would say that if antacids have aluminum, DO NOT TAKE THEM. However, I have never heard that vitamin C helps the body absorb aluminum.

9 Dangerous Supplement Combinations You Should Avoid
https://www.verywellhealth.com/suppleme ... ng-8737437

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Does Vitamin C and Zinc Help Fight COVID-19? Here's what the new studies say!
https://telegrafi.com/en/Vitamin-C-and- ... udy-shows/

Taking more than 2,000 milligrams of vitamin C per day can cause heartburn, stomach cramps, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, and headaches. The average daily recommended amount of vitamin C is 75 milligrams for women and 90 milligrams for men.

The study was stopped for a low conditional power for benefit with no significant difference among the 4 groups for the primary end point.

Results
Early Stopping

The OSMB met on October 23, 2020, and recommended stopping the study for futility. The futility criteria was met for the 3 active treatment groups compared with the usual care group. Data on the 214 patients enrolled at the time of study termination are the final data for this study.

While 8,000 mg of vitamin C seems seems like a large dose, reducing symptoms would depend on the dosing. We know from Dr. Robert Cathcart's TITRATING TO BOWEL TOLERANCE paper https://vitamincfoundation.org/www.orth ... itrate.htm that even 8 grams is an order of magnitude low.



From Cathcart we know that the Cold or Flu (of which Covid-19 is a variant) requires a minimum of 30 and as much as 158 grams of vitamin C per day!

In other words, for a relief of symptoms, the JAMA study would have had to use an order of magnitude more vitamin C to minimize symptoms after the infection has begun.


https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamane ... erm=021221

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Myth of the Month: Vitamin C vs the Common Cold

https://www.medscape.com/s/viewarticle/ ... b?form=fpf

While vitamin C is safe, there is no evidence for its ability to prevent the common cold. Although the Cochrane review and more a recent meta-analysis by Hemilä and Chalker demonstrated statistical significance in shortening the duration of symptoms, it was a minimal reduction with little clinical significance. Educating patients that supplemental vitamin C does not prevent colds can help them save money and avoid costs for unnecessary supplements.

The author has done a decent job or reviewing the vitamin C science, although missing this study.


The effectiveness of vitamin C in preventing and relieving the symptoms of virus-induced respiratory infections

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10543583/

Results: Overall, reported flu and cold symptoms in the test group decreased 85% compared with the control group after the administration of megadose Vitamin C.
Conclusion: Vitamin C in megadoses administered before or after the appearance of cold and flu symptoms relieved and prevented the symptoms in the test population compared with the control group.

This science does demonstrated the low dosages of vitamin C does not demonstrate a strong effect on the common cold. Everything is in the dosage, and large sustained dosages, e.g. 8 grams every 20 minutes for 3 hours, can cure the common cold, and people can find this out for themselves.


from Robert Cathcart's TITRATING TO BOWEL TOLERANCE paper https://vitamincfoundation.org/www.orth ... itrate.htm

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Expert warns of the common supplements that could give you cancer

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/arti ... ancer.html

Nichole Andrews, an oncology dietitian in Washington State, warned that while common supplements like vitamins C have been touted for boosting the immune system, the products are often over-dosed.

And experts believe that as many as nine in 10 of these pills are incorrectly labelled, with their true dosages unknown.

Unlikely, thanks to Senator Dick Durbin, the Federal fines for mislabeling a dietary supplement can be in the hundreds of millions of dollars.

Dietary supplements are not strictly regulated by authorities like the FDA, so it's difficult to know how much of the daily value is actually in one pill.

Bu!!C#AP

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Supplements taken by MILLIONS could increase cancer risk
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/ ... r-AA1x2QJR

Washington-based dietitian Nichole Andrews told her 334,000 Instagram followers the majority of the vitamins we take are bad for our health, highlighting one that raises cancer risk.

'Many of us turn to supplements like apple cider vinegar, collagen, skin/hair/nail gummies, turmeric, and vitamin C for quick fixes,' she said.

'But did you know excessive doses can do more harm than good?

'As a cancer dietitian, I’m here to tell you that relying on supplements for health can lead to imbalances and even increase cancer risk in some cases.'

The biggest problem with this "broad brush" slur (which tries to group in vitamin C), is that all vitamins are absolutely required for our health - lest we die without eating them. That's how they were discovered. People die of the deficiency disease when the vitamin is not present in food.

If this person had said the "majority of supplements are bad for our health" she would have still been wrong, but it would be much harder to prove her wrong.

Ms Andrews said that taking more than 200 per cent of your daily vitamin C value can lead to kidney stones and digestive issues.

Then why aren't animals who make 9000 mg per day in their livers (adjusted for body weight) full of kidney stones?

BTW her advice against apple cider vinegar and collagen match the recommendations of Anthony William, The Medical Medium. Attesting to the technique of mixing fact with fiction to slur vitamin C.

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Wow, Dr. Levy shared this one with me. Take Calcium and Collagen? Yet skip vitamin C!?!?

3 Supplements to Skip

While not everyone needs to take the seven supplements recommended in this article, they can help many of us. The same is not true of these three popular pills. There is either little evidence that they are helpful or very limited situations in which they might be of use.

Vitamin C
Vitamin C deficiency is unusual in the U.S.; only about 7 percent of Americans have it. For the other 93 percent of us, a vitamin C supplement is simply not worth the money. Research has found that it doesn’t reduce the risk of getting the common cold in people who aren’t deficient, despite its common use for that.

For the few people who don’t get enough vitamin C in their diet—it’s plentiful in citrus fruits, peppers, broccoli, potatoes, and more—a regular supplement may shorten the duration and severity of a cold, though this effect is slight. Smokers also may need supplemental vitamin C.

Consumer reports!

https://www.consumerreports.org/health/ ... 441144119/

7 Supplements That Might Actually Help You

The claims for many supplements go far beyond what has been proven. Here are some that may be worth trying—plus three to skip.
By Ashley Abramson
August 1, 2024

Ashley Abramson

Ashley Abramson is a freelance writer focused on health and psychology. In addition to Consumer Reports, she's written for the New York Times, the Washington Post, and the Guardian. She lives in Milwaukee with her husband, two young sons, and their pair of pups. When she's not writing, she enjoys good food, movies, and the Lake Michigan views down the street.