Question on Dosing IV/C - for elevated PSA

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Hi Owen,

Not a whole lot to add. His concept of dose, 75 to 125 grams at a time is much better than 25 to 50 grams in general. Adding 2 to 5 grams of the lypo C daily or at least on the off-IV days would be reasonable as well.

Best regards,

Dr. Levy

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As I was rereading the email, I thought of Dr. Riordin's lecture, and the reason his Kansas clinic always measures vitamin C levels in the blood after an intravenous infusion. Riordin's personal story is on youtube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zgi-7xPrCAg). In a nutshell, after a stressful event (maybe a serious insect or snake bite) he had an intravenous vitamin C infusion. He measured his blood levels afterward - and the vitamin C level in his blood AFTER the infusion was zero. It required four days for his blood levels to return to normal - even immediately after the daily IVs.

This is obviously related to Cathcart's Bowel Tolerance, as the body under stress can easily use up any available vitamin C in the blood. This seems to mean that he optimal way to determine dosage on an individual case, or at least the MINIMUM proper dosage, is to measure blood levels after each infusion, and if zero - continue with more/another IV.

According to the groundbreaking Levine (NIH) work, it is the fact that cancers are more receptive to glucose (and probably vitamin C) and that vitamin C tends to become toxic to the cancer cells as more hydrogen peroxide is produced. Whether this happens inside (or outside) of the cell, it does imply that higher blood levels, than can normally be attained by via ordinary vitamin C, are required for cancer cell death, apoptosis. If the levels in the blood are zero after a cancer infusion - certainly more should be given.

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Owen,

Thank you for your thorough reply.

The question rolling around in my mind now is how to get the Clinic in Miami Beach to increase the pH of their C, which I strongly suspect is the pre-made bottles and not prepared in the office via Cathcart's instructions. Any ideas?

Yes, certainly feel free to post my email to you.

I also contacted a friend/client who received extensive IV C from Dr. Cathcart when she lived in the Bay area, as I want to get her imput on duration/dose, experiences, etc.

In years past, I have followed Dr. Cathcart's instructions and have self-administered and administered to family members with doctor's approval up to 100 grams in a 3 to 4 hour period. These treatments always and I mean ALWAYS provided immediate relief of the symptoms at the time.

I use a doctor in Chicago for providing the script for IV Glutathione for my mother (age 92 with Parkinson's). During one visit, we administered IV C in the doctor's office after the IV push for Gluathione on a sheer lark given Mom had some cold symptoms and we had the time. Mom then was able to gladly and energetically enjoy the King Tut exhibit following this. This was a few years back; and all signs of the emerging cold were stopped in their tracks - and symptoms of the Parkinson's were even less visible than normal (longer, better stride in the gait, with more stamina and stronger voice)

Locally, we have a Nurse Practicioner who is providing IV C to the people in area of Iowa from pre-made C (which I think comes in 25 gram bottles). I believe she goes a bit fast with injections based on hearsay. I use her for my own prescriptions and will visit with her soon and discuss the subject; and wanted to discuss with her the pH issue as this was a matter Dr. Cathcart made clear as well that was essential to have correct.

Next, Dr. Cathcart spoke of problems with veins encountered after sodium C stopped being available from Hoffman, speaking of the China sourced C being of likely less quality.

Oscar Falconi also spoke of this as his experience prior to his retirement.

The young couple who took over Wholesale Nutrition, specifically the young man spoke one day of possibly procuring the Scottish sourced Sodium Ascorbate - do you know of a good source for this Scottish Sodium C, and whether it is working as a superior form to the China Sodium Ascorbate.

I, myself, found vein shrinkage with the China C in myself and others who have worked with it, a result which did not take place with Hoffman LaRoche Sodium Ascorbate.


Steve

Thank you for this report. Confirming what I think we know. (I wonder about who the doctor in the Chicago area is, because I was in a clinic last year ([i]which turned out in my case ironically to be adrenal fatigue/low or no cortisol, one of the few things IV/C cannot correct - but allowed me to live)[/i]. I saw for myself what an IV glutathione can do for people with diagnosed Parkinsons, like your report of your mom. Miraculous.

I don't think the issue is specifically "Chinese C", but having said that, you might take a peek at this recent post of a story about Chinese vitamin c being tainted with anti-freeze, and one of our doctors explain how/why this could easily happen! http://www.vitamincfoundation.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=10527

And we, The Vitamin C Foundation, sponsors the Scottish sodium ascorbate (the Hoffman-LaRoche company has been bought and renamed DSM - and the product we sponsor is their Quali-c. So the answer where to get Scottish (non chinese) sodium ascorbate, is from us. If your doctors are willing to make their own per Cathcart's recipe is: http://www.vitamincfoundation.org//cart/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=12_11

We are also working with a local compounding pharmacy that will provide 500 CC bottles (250 CCs of sodium ascorbate at the proper pH) for $100 plus the shipping charge anywhere in the USA - with a script.

When I was dealing with my adrenal issue, the local alt. doc (one of the most brilliant people I know) hears a lot of claims, and could not accept the idea that there could be a difference in efficacy between the commercial C and Cathcart-style sodium ascorbate. (We at the Foundation learned about this from a member, and we published his report in the Townsend Letter.) This doc agreed to use the Compounding Pharmacy's sodium ascorbate, first on me, and then on a few other "volunteers" and the difference was astounding to him. So dramatic that he now wants to do the chemistry to find out exactly how the sodium ascorbate is breaking down in solution. He doesn't believe that pH alone can explain what he is seeing clinically. We had a former Cathcart patient who reinforced the idea that was this doc was doing - "cold C"- was nothing like what he was getting from Cathcart. We both did research to verify that Cameron (for example in Scotland) was using sodium ascorbate IV. Other doctors have confirmed success following Cathcart's protocol, etc. We now both believe that the cancer benefits are closely tied with Cathcart's style of sodium ascorbate IVs.

My doc now calls the commercial (BioNiche) injectible "cold C" - perhaps good for flushing after dental work, and the sodium ascorbate "hot C" - because the herxheimer reactions are so profound. (We also learned, as most doctors experienced already apparently knew to slow down the drip! Since Klenner, the drip has been slowed down at the end, to allow the vitamin to expunge toxins and reduce these "herxheimer" effects (fevers, chills, etc. etc.) I posted my experience regarding this issue here: http://www.vitamincfoundation.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=9512&hilit=Correct+Intravenous+Vitamin+C+Protocol and if you have any notes on this from Cathcart, that would be invaluable.

In summary,
In our oponion...

The commercial buffered ascorbic acid is mild at best
It is colorless (why?) Sodium ascorbate is yellow.
The correct sodium ascorbate is available overnight from a compounding pharmacy in
Chicago, and we have the "Scottish" sodium ascorbate powder now.
Patients who do not slow down the drip towards the end will have a significant, sometimes
scary reaction to sodium ascorbate.
The sodium ascorbate is harmless to viens, where as the BioNiche product will harm
veins over time with continued use.