Return to Pauling Therapy !!

[johnhoperobinson]

After a number of years i decided to return to PT and the result is amazing. After 2 bypasses/5 stents and continued Angina pain i was desperate tbh.I have always been aware of Owen's brilliant work in supporting others with this forum etc., I had some issues with PT last time due to my FH cholesterol very high numbers (520) and very sensitive/intolerance to large doses of AA. I have been on the regimen below for a week and my chest pain has already substantially reduced !!
Any other recommendations would be greatly appreciated as always. Thankyou.
T/Cholesterol 90 (injections to lower/statin 20mg)
LDL 39
HDL 35
T/G 88
LP(a) 59 mg/dl

Pauling Therapy etc..,
6g Liposomal Vit C
8g Lysine
2g Proline
k2
Magnesium
Nattokinase
Cordyceps

John (UK)

[Joanna45]

glad you are feeling better I would add C0 Q10 and you could ask Owen about the dosing but looks like you are doing the right thing
Joanna

[johnhoperobinson]

Thanks Joanna. Much appreciated. i will add CO Q10. i think Owen will see this post so i'd be interested in anything he has to add ? john

[pamojja]

I'm completely flabbergasted, that one would take such high risks with the highest allowed dose of rosvusatatin, driving cholesterol so unnecessary low.

T/Cholesterol 90 (injections to lower/statin 20mg)
LDL 39
HDL 35
T/G 88
LP(a) 59 mg/dl

From my notes of labtestanalyzer, to consider:

Total Choleterol Range
mg/dL
Low < 154.99
Sub-Optimal 155 - 214.99
Optimal 215 - 309
High > 309.01

Optimal
Congratulations, your levels are optimal!
This means you have a reduced risk of:
Heart disease [R]
Mortality from all causes [R, R, R, R, R]
While somewhat elevated cholesterol has been traditionally associated with the risk of heart disease, studies show that as you get older, having a somewhat higher cholesterol actually decreases your risk of all-cause mortality [R, R, R, R, R].

Low
Your cholesterol levels are below the normal range!
Low cholesterol levels are associated with:
Severe depression [R]
Anxiety [R]
Suicidal thoughts and attempts [R]
Low cholesterol levels increase the risk of mortality from stroke, heart disease, and cancer [R].
The most common causes of low cholesterol include:
Low-cholesterol diets, high polyunsaturated fat diets, and very low fat diets [R]
Low-protein diets [R]
Iron deficiency [R]
Hyperthyroidism [R]
Statin use [R, R]
Other less common causes include:
Liver diseases [R]
Celiac disease [R]
Hepatitis C [R]
Abetalipoproteinemia (a genetic diseases mostly found in Jewish populations) [R]
Hypobetalipoproteinemia (a genetic disease that causes low LDL and total cholesterol levels) [R]
Smith-Lemli-Opitz Syndrome (SLOS) [R]
Leukemias (cancer of blood-forming tissues and cells) [R]
Parasitic infection including E. histolyticaa and G. lamblia [R]

Low cholesterol levels do not cause symptoms directly, and individuals will only show symptoms related to the cause of low cholesterol levels, such as iron deficiency and hyperthyroidism.
Address any underlying health issues!
Fasting can help increase total cholesterol levels [R].
Increase your consumption of foods high in cholesterol and saturated fats such as eggs, red meats, and butter [R, R].
Make sure you are consuming enough protein to sustain your activity levels [R].
If your iron is low, consume more iron-rich foods, including beef, oysters, lentils, and spinach [R, R].

Supplements that can help:
Iron. Iron supplements should be taken with caution and only if iron deficient [R]
Zinc [R]

[johnhoperobinson]

Thanks for your reply. Ive struggled with getting such a naturally ultra high level down tbh due to FH with high dose statins cos of the side effects so i am on Praluent injections which do lower it dramatically. I am still on a small dose statin so maybe i do not need to be taking this? I am also struggling with GERD Acid Reflux with PT unfortunately so i will probab;y add Baking Soda to my Regime?

[pamojja]

You're in a difficult situation. Because other than me, you seem not to be aware that you only, will reap the possible consequences for every medication taken, and other lifestyle choices not taken. Not your doctor (which probably does recommend things only to avoid his own legal repercussion), or any other on the internet not knowing all your comorbidities, and legally simply not allowed to give medical advice.

You didn't ask for actual scientific references, for above claims - like that too low cholesterol would increase all cause mortality -to verify the extent of this risk for yourself, to see if it is not enough for you to take. And decide accordingly.

Mortality from all causes [R, R, R, R, R]

(The Rs are links to its scientific references, which weren't copied over by copy and paste into the forum.)

Without reliance on self-responsibility for my own health decisions, without learning to read scientific references for the truth-content in their claims, without being able to read my own lab-results (requested for as many bodily systems I could get), without monitoring every effect of comprehensive interventions (just without any pharmaceutical one, after understanding that a statin taken by 83 for 5 years only helps 1 of so many, by not decreased earlier mortality) - I wouldn't have been possible for me to affect remissions. And I don't think for any other - without any such determination in those learning-fields - it could be as likely.

The only option for you would be to find a good practitioner in person, having those abilities and making the decisions for you. But to find such a person, you have to be able to discriminate, and therefore a minimum in self-education and understanding: It is still only you, who will reap all consequences for your decisions. After weighting risks and well evaluated benefits of interventions.

For a start, try to learn the difference between relative and absolute risk reductions reported in studies of interventions. Understand, that different study designs do have completely different relevance. For understanding lab-results, labtestanalyzer.com is a good learning resource, but yearly membership isn't cheap.

[pamojja]

After a number of years i decided to return to PT and the result is amazing. After 2 bypasses/5 stents and continued Angina pain i was desperate tbh.I have always been aware of Owen's brilliant work in supporting others with this forum etc., I had some issues with PT last time due to my FH cholesterol very high numbers (520) and very sensitive/intolerance to large doses of AA. I have been on the regimen below for a week and my chest pain has already substantially reduced !!

2 bypasses/5 stents with PT isn't amazing I would first try to evaluate what you made wrong the first time. PT can't be the cause of FH, since that is inherited. Sensitivity to high AA, as many report in the forum, is easily avoided by adding more sodium ascorbate instead. Not by quitting. And other than many think, PT not only consists of AA and Lysine, but comprehensive supplementation and life-style changes as well.

[Martin]

Owen: Today, March 30th...Eli Lilly came out with this announcement. Maybe someone could tell them about Vitamin C, lysine and proline therapy for high levels of lipoprotein (a).

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-release ... DIANAPOLIS, March 30, 2025 /,risk factor for heart
disease.

"Unfortunately, there are no approved cholesterol-lowering therapies specifically for this genetic risk factor, and lifestyle changes like diet and exercise do not provide meaningful reductions," said Steven Nissen, M.D., chief academic officer of the Heart, Vascular & Thoracic Institute at the Cleveland Clinic.