I just found out how Pauling died.

[nherdboi]

Cancer!!!! Did he not use his own intravenous ascorbate therapies on himself? I'm trying not to let this discovery shake my confidence in vitamin C.

[Rustra]

Hi,

Linus Pauling had prostate cancer, but he was 93 - the end-stage prostate cancer is normally a hormonrefractory cancer with metastasis in the bones - I havn't heard of a cure of this form of PCa with high dose vitamin C.
If you have prostate cancer with an age 50 or 60, what would you say, if anyone could give you a therapy so, you can live until 93?

Rudolf

[Dolev]

When the great Linus Pauling was in his early sixties, Irwin Stone heard him say that he wished he would live another 25 years so that he could witness the great advances in science. Stone wrote him and said that he could live that long if he started taking vitamin C. Pauling did, and lived another 30 years.

[SEADOG]

The human body has to come to an end sometime but this does not undermine the efficacy of Vit C in any way.
Probably Linus Pauling lived to be 93 because of Vit C and we must not forget that he started on Vit C in his 60's.

[ofonorow]

From Linus Pauling in His Own Words (edited by Barbara Marrinachi) we learn that Pauling contracted a (usually fatal) kidney disease when he was forty, but after learning that most patients died from the standard treatment (then high protein) he huddled with a Stanford Professor/MD and developed a different therapy (low protein). He survived, but his wife began giving him a multivitamin pill daily. It wasn't until age 60 that he learned the value of high-dose vitamin C, and as other posters have noted, went on to live 30+ more years.

Also, if you read the latest Hickey/Roberts book (CANCER: Nutrition and Survival http://www.lulu.com/ascorbate), and our cancer forum, you learn that while vitamin C can be toxic to cancer cells, it is a relatively weak cancer killer. High blood concentrations must be maintained, and adding Alpha Lipoic Acid (and/or VItamin K3) greatly amplifies vitamin C's cancer killing power.

[davids]

The human body has to come to an end sometime but this does not undermine the efficacy of Vit C in any way.
Probably Linus Pauling lived to be 93 because of Vit C and we must not forget that he started on Vit C in his 60's.

Just to add an example to Seadog's comment,

Rabbits with both kidneys surgically removed uniformly die in three to four days. If, however, these animals without kidneys are injected with a mixture of ascorbic acid and p-aminobenzoic acid, the scientists state; "The duration of survival was strikingly increased, ranging from five and a half to eight and a half days. Even more striking was the improved condition of the animals during most of the period of survival. They were alert, active, and in most respects behaved like normal rabbits until a few hours prior to death."" -- http://vitamincfoundation.org/stone/Chap17-22.htm#C22

Nherdboi, that sounds to me like the way I want to "go out!"

David

[blueskymyne]

Id say a male living to age 93 is really good.

Vitamin c wont make you immortal. Most men dont live to see that age. There may have been other factors in that particular cancer such as zinc deficiency, elevated IGF-1 from dairy products or a vitamin D3 deficiency.

[blueskymyne]

Why would your very first post be a slam on Linus Pauling? Makes me question who you are.

[JonnieZ]

As Gilda Radner used to say.

Dr. Roy Walford, the gerontolist who died last year at 79 of ALS was mocked by his critics because of his "early" death. Years of research and study don't go down the hill because of one person. Walford's research is being carried on and will benefit my children and their children, etc.

Same goes for Dr. Pauling. A 93 year old dying of prostate cancer is rare actually. Most men don't get to 93. Dr. PAuling told someone in an interview that he would have died at 73. Who knows. Victor Herbert scoffed at it, but then Herbert barely made it past 70 if I'm not mistaken.

Recently I have seen articles, posted on the information super highway, stating that steady state exercise (jogging, jumping rope, cycling, etc.) is a waste of time, and dangerous (using Jim Fixx and other runners as examples). What does research show? People who make jogging, cycling, jumping rope, and so on, a habit- live longer than people who don't (JAMA). Opponents think that people should only perform resistance training. I believe resistance training has a place in a helathy life, but so does "conditioning" exercises.

Anyway, just a thought or two.

Jon

[zucic]

Id say a male living to age 93 is really good.

There are some other scientists and proponents of vitamins which failed to kill
themselves with vitamins:

- Abram Hoffer, born 1917, http://www.islandnet.com/~hoffer/ ;
- Theodore P. Jorgensen, born 1904,
http://www.vitamincfoundation.org/jorgensen.htm ;
- Denham Harman, born 1916,
http://www.nebraska.edu/about/pioneers.asp?p=27 ;

Some succeded, but it took some time:
- Albert Szent-Gyorgyi, 1893-1986;
- Linus Pauling, 1901-1994;
- Ernst Mayer, 1904-2005 (biologist, took vitamin E for years);
- Norman Walker, raw-foodist, invented juicer, 1867-1985, there are claims
that his correct age was 109, not 118 when he died.

[Guest]

Id say a male living to age 93 is really good.

There are some other scientists and proponents of vitamins which failed to kill
themselves with vitamins:

- Abram Hoffer, born 1917, http://www.islandnet.com/~hoffer/ ;
- Theodore P. Jorgensen, born 1904,
http://www.vitamincfoundation.org/jorgensen.htm ;
- Denham Harman, born 1916,
http://www.nebraska.edu/about/pioneers.asp?p=27 ;

Some succeded, but it took some time:
- Albert Szent-Gyorgyi, 1893-1986;
- Linus Pauling, 1901-1994;
- Ernst Mayer, 1904-2005 (biologist, took vitamin E for years);
- Norman Walker, raw-foodist, invented juicer, 1867-1985, there are claims
that his correct age was 109, not 118 when he died.

[Guest]

Id say a male living to age 93 is really good.

There are some other scientists and proponents of vitamins which failed to kill
themselves with vitamins:

- Abram Hoffer, born 1917, http://www.islandnet.com/~hoffer/ ;
- Theodore P. Jorgensen, born 1904,
http://www.vitamincfoundation.org/jorgensen.htm ;
- Denham Harman, born 1916,
http://www.nebraska.edu/about/pioneers.asp?p=27 ;

Some succeded, but it took some time:
- Albert Szent-Gyorgyi, 1893-1986;
- Linus Pauling, 1901-1994;
- Ernst Mayer, 1904-2005 (biologist, took vitamin E for years);
- Norman Walker, raw-foodist, invented juicer, 1867-1985, there are claims
that his correct age was 109, not 118 when he died.

So what is your point?

[zucic]

So what is your point?

The point is that I agree with blueskymyne and that the average lifespans of
the old proponets and haters of vitamin c should be compared. Look at the
other side:
- William deWys, which initiated discreditation of Pauling's ideas died aged 58;
- Charles Moertel died aged 66.
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