ofonorow wrote:Moving this to heart forum where I will provide more detailed answers.
Our view thanks to Linus Pauling is that what we now call cardiovascular disease or heart disease is a chronic or sub-clinical scurvy. A vitamin C deficiency. So if you think of heart disease as chronic scurvy, it can help with a lot of the other information swirling around.
As far as the HDL/LDL ratios and all that - in my opinion, designed to sell drugs, even if the original research was well meaning.
Question: What is the symptom of high cholesterol (or a "bad" ratio)? Answer: Feeling good. (And if your total is really 151 - you are too low sir!)
There is an entire body of skeptics who have written volumes on the falsity of worrying about fats in the diet in relation to CVD and heart disease. (The artificial trans fats or hydrogenated fatty acids are another thing entirely.)
why is 151 too low?
if people are conned by pharm/MDs to buy cholestroling lowering meds. what is a good cholestrol number/ratio?
why is tc 151 "low"?
I had a low cholesterol and a bad ratio,
I had high cholesterol, Im not sure what my ratio was I know my HDL was the highest it's ever been
but my TC was over 230, within 6 months, I lost weight, not much of a diet change, just less food, more walking/weight lifting.
soon I went from 120kg/265lb/TC >230 to 83kg/TC 152
My point is, I wasnt "trying to lower my cholestrol"
I was getting my other numbers where they should be and look/feel healthy.
even at a total of 151, I wasnt satisfied with my 12-15% bodyfat, and was going lower, to change my T/E ratio, but I had some unrelated issues come up
I know the rumors/propaganda about HDL/LDL/ratios, but I don't know the science they have to show right or wrong?
I've heart the stories about runnners, guys who are in shape, dying from heart attacks, I've also heard about how people with heart attacks usually have low/normal cholestrol
but I see no harm in taking VC and I understand the science, and I just don't buy the fact that VC is used in so many rxn in the body that less than a gram will allow it to get the job done.. This is the main reason I'm taking so much vC, I see no harm in taking it and it makes me feel better.
I want a way that I can measure my plaque buildup, without radiation, and see it go down
Otherwise, how do I know what I'm doing is working? how do I get people I care about to do this therapy without evidence that is helps prvent heart disease?
I can't find a study that shows people who have heart disease have high LPA and those without have low/no LPA
nor have I seen anything concrete saying lots of vit C will lower LPA/.
Oh I did see this page with studies on LPa, but which one shows anything about lowering affects via VT or anyway to lower it?
http://www.internetwks.com/pauling/lpa/I cant find one that says LpA gets lowered by vit C or any knowledge of how to lower LPA except I've read aspirin,TRT, and niacin lower LPa
http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/fw12/lipoprotein.html